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headscarf was still a social problem
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:39 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting catwoman: The thing is that Turkey is not a liberal country and has severe violations of free speech, therefore it is somewhat dangerous to give religious freedoms (read: islamic ONLY!) and not enforce freedoms FROM religion. If a president preaches about religion, and is a former imam and a former leader of an islamist party... not much good can happen for liberal values there.  |
Especially we should end democratic freedooms in Turkey because half of the Turkish population have voted for the president and prime minister that you are blaming...
By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right?
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Secularism is a MUST for any given democracy in anywhere in the world.
And asking the STATE being a proper SECULAR STATE is absulately necessary in Turkey.
For example, not letting jesus's picture in government offices is perfectly normal for a state. (he/she is allowed at home for example) and it is nothing to do with democratic freedom..
You are mistaken there.
You misunderstood what democracy or what secularism is..May be..
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:42 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right? |
Yeah, I also think they have too much freedom right now. I mean, being a Kurd has become more than an honor in Turkey. |
I really like the logic you guys have: You want freedoom just for yourselves and for the ones you think they deserve itYou just ignore the the others who suffer Good for you...This should be the modern civilization...
P.S. Please ignore my previous long post which includes 3 articles by Nihal Bengisu Karaca...
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:44 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting catwoman: The thing is that Turkey is not a liberal country and has severe violations of free speech, therefore it is somewhat dangerous to give religious freedoms (read: islamic ONLY!) and not enforce freedoms FROM religion. If a president preaches about religion, and is a former imam and a former leader of an islamist party... not much good can happen for liberal values there. |
Especially we should end democratic freedooms in Turkey because half of the Turkish population have voted for the president and prime minister that you are blaming...
By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right?
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Secularism is a MUST for any given democracy in anywhere in the world.
And asking the STATE being a proper SECULAR STATE is absulately necessary in Turkey.
For example, not letting jesus's picture in government offices is perfectly normal for a state. (he/she is allowed at home for example) and it is nothing to do with democratic freedom..
You are mistaken there.
You misunderstood what democracy or what secularism is..May be.. |
Then, Nationalism and national unity is also a MUST for any country too. That is why for our NATIONAL UNITY, kurdish should not be allowed in public buildings...
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:44 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: I really like the logic you guys have: You want freedoom just for yourselves and for the ones you think they deserve itYou just ignore the the others who suffer Good for you...This should be the modern civilization...
P.S. Please ignore my previous long post which includes 3 articles by Nihal Bengisu Karaca...
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What are you talking about??? You completely missed the point. It is YOU who keeps repeating that Kurds shouldn't have equal rights. 
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:45 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: Then, Nationalism and national unity is also a MUST for any country too. That is why for our NATIONAL UNITY, kurdish should not be allowed in public buildings... |
This is a conversation about religion, not ethnicity!
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:48 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right? |
Yeah, I also think they have too much freedom right now. I mean, being a Kurd has become more than an honor in Turkey. |
I really like the logic you guys have: You want freedoom just for yourselves and for the ones you think they deserve itYou just ignore the the others who suffer Good for you...This should be the modern civilization...
P.S. Please ignore my previous long post which includes 3 articles by Nihal Bengisu Karaca...
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haha
Freedom should be for everybody..
And democracy is misunderstood by Turkey's islamists..
They think that if they come to power or if majority wants sheria is very democratic.
Nope..
It is not..Even if the majority is 99%..It is not..Sorry
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:53 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right? |
Yeah, I also think they have too much freedom right now. I mean, being a Kurd has become more than an honor in Turkey. |
I really like the logic you guys have: You want freedoom just for yourselves and for the ones you think they deserve itYou just ignore the the others who suffer Good for you...This should be the modern civilization...
P.S. Please ignore my previous long post which includes 3 articles by Nihal Bengisu Karaca...
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haha
Freedom should be for everybody..
And democracy is misunderstood by Turkey's islamists.. T
hey think that if they come to power or if majority wants sheria is very democratic.
Nope..
It is not..Even majority is 99%..It is not..
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I know...That is why I am very happy. As our army generals repeatedly say Turkey has two main enemies: Political Islam and Kurdish Nationalism. Thanks to our special democratic systems neither head scarf nor teaching Kurdish in public schools will never be allowed. I am really happy we have a SECULAR and NATIONALIST state and ARMY.
By the way, you are not Kurdish, are you?
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 04:01 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right? |
Yeah, I also think they have too much freedom right now. I mean, being a Kurd has become more than an honor in Turkey. |
I really like the logic you guys have: You want freedoom just for yourselves and for the ones you think they deserve itYou just ignore the the others who suffer Good for you...This should be the modern civilization...
P.S. Please ignore my previous long post which includes 3 articles by Nihal Bengisu Karaca...
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haha
Freedom should be for everybody..
And democracy is misunderstood by Turkey's islamists.. T
hey think that if they come to power or if majority wants sheria is very democratic.
Nope..
It is not..Even majority is 99%..It is not..
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I know...That is why I am very happy. As our army generals repeatedly say Turkey has two main enemies: Political Islam and Kurdish Nationalism. Thanks to our special democratic systems neither head scarf nor teaching Kurdish in public schools will never be allowed. I am really happy we have a SECULAR and NATIONALIST state and ARMY.
By the way, you are not Kurdish, are you?
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Well.. You can be very happy..But I am not really.
We have kurdish nationalism problem in Turkey because of the mistakes mainly done by the army itself.
And about the political islam, I am sorry but Sheria is dangerous for any type of democracy..
Dont you agree?
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 04:05 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right? |
Yeah, I also think they have too much freedom right now. I mean, being a Kurd has become more than an honor in Turkey. |
I really like the logic you guys have: You want freedoom just for yourselves and for the ones you think they deserve itYou just ignore the the others who suffer Good for you...This should be the modern civilization...
P.S. Please ignore my previous long post which includes 3 articles by Nihal Bengisu Karaca...
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haha
Freedom should be for everybody..
And democracy is misunderstood by Turkey's islamists.. T
hey think that if they come to power or if majority wants sheria is very democratic.
Nope..
It is not..Even majority is 99%..It is not..
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I know...That is why I am very happy. As our army generals repeatedly say Turkey has two main enemies: Political Islam and Kurdish Nationalism. Thanks to our special democratic systems neither head scarf nor teaching Kurdish in public schools will never be allowed. I am really happy we have a SECULAR and NATIONALIST state and ARMY.
By the way, you are not Kurdish, are you?
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Well.. You can be very happy..But I am not really.
We have kurdish nationalism problem in Turkey because of the mistakes mainly done by the army itself.
And about the political islam, I am sorry but Sheria is dangerous for any type of democracy..
Dont you agree?
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I am really very happy that we have such a great army which defends Turkey againts both KURDISH SEPERATIST TERRORISTS and POLITICAL ISLAM. You are right, allowing headscarf can make Turkey a religious state and allowing Kurdish ethnic rights may divide Turkey.
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 04:06 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: I am really very happy that we have such a great army which defends Turkey againts both KURDISH SEPERATIST TERRORISTS and POLITICAL ISLAM. |
Kadersokak, I am joining you in your happiness! But for god's sake, enough about you!!! 
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 04:09 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: I am really very happy that we have such a great army which defends Turkey againts both KURDISH SEPERATIST TERRORISTS and POLITICAL ISLAM. |
Kadersokak, I am joining you in your happiness! But for god's sake, enough about you!!! |
You do not have to answer me.
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