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headscarf was still a social problem
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 02:57 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting zbrct: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting zbrct:
I agree with you head scarf and ESPECIALLY speaking Kurdish in public spaces should not be allowed. Who cares freedoom of speech. State can determine what is good for people.
Yes, in European countries women with head scarf are allowed to work even in public places but they are Europeans, freedoom is a part of their civilization.
We belong to another civilization that is why any sign of religion and ethnicity should be banned by the Turkish state.
How happy to say I am a TURK and how happy to say I am a SECULAR.
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Well... I never said anything about the kurds or kurdish..did I?
I am not talking about STATE what to decide about its people..
I am saying that it is STATE'S DUTY TO BE EQUAL TO ALL ITS CITIZENS.
I would not want to deal with a man wearing a priest costume when i want to pay my council tax..
Is that not simple? |
I agree with you and I do not want to see a state official speaking Kurdish... |
Well..
I want to see a Turkey, which its citizens are not afraid of speaking their language or say what their origins are..
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Really...? So what about those Turkish citizen girls who want to study and work with their head scarfs?
Oh ok, I understand now. We want freedoom just for ourselves...But that is not sincere...
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 02:58 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting zbrct: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting zbrct:
I agree with you head scarf and ESPECIALLY speaking Kurdish in public spaces should not be allowed. Who cares freedoom of speech. State can determine what is good for people.
Yes, in European countries women with head scarf are allowed to work even in public places but they are Europeans, freedoom is a part of their civilization.
We belong to another civilization that is why any sign of religion and ethnicity should be banned by the Turkish state.
How happy to say I am a TURK and how happy to say I am a SECULAR.
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Well... I never said anything about the kurds or kurdish..did I?
I am not talking about STATE what to decide about its people..
I am saying that it is STATE'S DUTY TO BE EQUAL TO ALL ITS CITIZENS.
I would not want to deal with a man wearing a priest costume when i want to pay my council tax..
Is that not simple? |
I agree with you and I do not want to see a state official speaking Kurdish... |
Well..
I want to see a Turkey, which its citizens are not afraid of speaking their language or say what their origins are..
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In your dreams maybe...
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:04 am |
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Quoting zbrct:
Really...? So what about those Turkish citizen girls who want to study and work with their head scarfs?
Oh ok, I understand now. We want freedoom just for ourselves...But that is not sincere...
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Well..I already told above that turban ban in universities should be removed. And about the work. what about the private sector? I already told that the STATE should have equal distance to all its citizens. It is the reason any statement relating to religionS should not not be allowed..
I would not want a monk in orange dress as a teacher for example..
would you?
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:06 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting thehandsom:
Well..
I want to see a Turkey, which its citizens are not afraid of speaking their language or say what their origins are..
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In your dreams maybe... |
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:16 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting thehandsom: Well..
I want to see a Turkey, which its citizens are not afraid of speaking their language or say what their origins are.. |
In your dreams maybe... |
This is unbelievable! I have never actually seen a real racist in my life, so I'm really honored to meet a Turkish racist here! What an amazing experience... 
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:19 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting zbrct:
Really...? So what about those Turkish citizen girls who want to study and work with their head scarfs?
Oh ok, I understand now. We want freedoom just for ourselves...But that is not sincere...
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Well..I already told above that turban ban in universities should be removed. And about the work. what about the private sector? I already told that the STATE should have equal distance to all its citizens. It is the reason any statement relating to religionS should not not be allowed..
I would not want a monk in orange dress as a teacher for example..
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If you say so then I have the right not to want a Kurdish speaking professor even he knows Turkish, right?
And, you know what they do have monks in their religious costumes as teachers in European and American universities. Yes, they have. But, right we are not talking about European civilization here we are talking about Turkey where people want freedom only for themselves...
I think we should not have either a monk or a Kurdish speaking professor in our universities...
I totally agree with zbrct and you that state should determine how indivuals should wear and speak...
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:22 am |
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The thing is that Turkey is not a liberal country and has severe violations of free speech, therefore it is somewhat dangerous to give religious freedoms (read: islamic ONLY!) and not enforce freedoms FROM religion. If a president preaches about religion, and is a former imam and a former leader of an islamist party... not much good can happen for liberal values there. 
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:25 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: I think we should not have either a monk or a Kurdish speaking professor in our universities...
I totally agree with zbrct and you that state should determine how indivuals should wear and speak... |
Hahahahahah, please next time be a little more clear with your sarcasm, or I may actually believe that you really mean the above blasphemy! 
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:28 am |
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Quoting catwoman: The thing is that Turkey is not a liberal country and has severe violations of free speech, therefore it is somewhat dangerous to give religious freedoms (read: islamic ONLY!) and not enforce freedoms FROM religion. If a president preaches about religion, and is a former imam and a former leader of an islamist party... not much good can happen for liberal values there. |
Especially we should end democratic freedooms in Turkey because half of the Turkish population have voted for the president and prime minister that you are blaming...
By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right?
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:36 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right? |
Yeah, I also think they have too much freedom right now. I mean, being a Kurd has become more than an honor in Turkey.
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10 Jan 2008 Thu 03:39 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: Quoting catwoman: The thing is that Turkey is not a liberal country and has severe violations of free speech, therefore it is somewhat dangerous to give religious freedoms (read: islamic ONLY!) and not enforce freedoms FROM religion. If a president preaches about religion, and is a former imam and a former leader of an islamist party... not much good can happen for liberal values there. |
Especially we should end democratic freedooms in Turkey because half of the Turkish population have voted for the president and prime minister that you are blaming...
By the way, we should also limit freedoom for the Kurds, right?
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Secularism is a MUST for any given democracy in anywhere in the world.
And asking the STATE being a proper SECULAR STATE is absulately necessary in Turkey.
For example, not letting jesus's picture in government offices is perfectly normal for a state. (he/she is allowed at home for example) and it is nothing to do with democratic freedom..
You are mistaken there.
You misunderstood what democracy or what secularism is..May be..
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