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300.       femme_fatal
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 18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:57 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Was that me???? Sorry!


your question is not addressed to the right person, hun.
handsome is a dreamer he knows nothing lol

301.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:59 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Was that me???? Sorry!


your question is not addressed to the right person, hun.
handsome is a dreamer he knows nothing lol


you are delusional femme..lol
But she is right elisabeth..I dont know the answer really.

302.       femme_fatal
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 18 Feb 2008 Mon 11:00 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Was that me???? Sorry!


your question is not addressed to the right person, hun.
handsome is a dreamer he knows nothing lol


you are delusional femme..lol


oops, am i making you to actually answer the innocent question of lis? lol

303.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 11:05 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting alameda:


My question is: does that mean that we should literally cut someones hands off, or could it be to cut off has the possibility of another interpretation? If Yunus Emre, Mawlānā Jalāl-ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī (who was a judge), do you think their interpretation was as narrow as the one you are telling me?


I am so sorry Alameda but what do you understand from that verse exactly..I mean you, personally!!

38.As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.

39. But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

40. Knowest thou not that to Allah (alone) belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? He punisheth whom He pleaseth, and He forgiveth whom He pleaseth: and Allah hath power over all things.
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Handsome....there are a number of criteria that should be considered. In an Islamic society there is social communal responsibility.

What was the reason for the theft, were the person's needs being taken care of. It really is a huge subject and one not appropriate for this forum. I am not an Islamic scholar and do not want to get into a legalistic debate. What I am trying to bring out is that it is not a simple matter as some would like to make out.

Also, of course, you know there are many different schools of thought. Some very great Muslim scholars have been acused of heresy, such as:

Ibn Arabi

"A number of prominent Sunni Muslim scholars, including Dhahabi, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani,[5] and Ibn Taymiyyah, did not consider Ibn Arabi to even be a Muslim.[6] Reasons for Ibn Arabi being branded a heretic were some of his statements in his books such as "Fusoos Al-Hikam" and "Al-Ahkaam". One example is where Ibn Arabi claimed that Pharaoh was correct when he said "I am your lord most high."

304.       admin
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 18 Feb 2008 Mon 11:30 pm

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