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How (not) to do it - Harams/helals
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 09:50 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: wow..your post seemed quite long but after taking off my post from it, it now, looks really weak and thin |
Checkmate ! 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 09:53 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
Quoting thehandsom: wow..your post seemed quite long but after taking off my post from it, it now, looks really weak and thin |
Checkmate ! |
haha..
Exactly..
That is what she has been doing all this time: adding double lines, quoting others etc..
and here you go..
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 09:53 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
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YUSUFALI: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
PICKTHAL: As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Quoting alameda:
If one reads the Hadiths, one can see there was a great deal of compassion from the Prophet (saw) in dealing with these issues.
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sahih bukhari
seems like a wonderful prophet himself loved butchering 
Volume 8, Book 81, Number 790:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
The Prophet cutoff the hand of a thief for stealing a shield that was worth three Dirhams.
Volume 8, Book 81, Number 791:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah 's Apostle said, 'Allah curses the thief who steals an egg (or a helmet) for which his hand is to be cut off, or steals a rope, for which his hand is to be cut off.'
Volume 8, Book 81, Number 792:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet cut off the hand of a lady, and that lady used to come to me, and I used to convey her message to the Prophet and she repented, and her repentance was sincere.
Quoting alameda:
I have found reading the works of this woman:
Riffat Hassan
'The Pakistani academic has made a name for herself through her progressive and enlightened interpretation of Islam and the teachings of the Quran.'
more on Riffat Hassan |
that woman is a liar just like you, alameda. |
And checkmate for Femme!
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 09:55 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
Quoting thehandsom: wow..your post seemed quite long but after taking off my post from it, it now, looks really weak and thin |
Checkmate ! |
ha? 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 09:58 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
ha?
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Ne?
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:03 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal:
ha?
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Ne? |
should i consider of deleting my post describing you as a great contributor to TC and the glorious nation of turkey!
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:07 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: should i consider of deleting my post describing you as a great contributor to TC and the glorious nation of turkey! |
Well of course - but I know you disagree with erasing posts 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:10 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: should i consider of deleting my post describing you as a great contributor to TC and the glorious nation of turkey! |
Well of course - but I know you disagree with erasing posts |
this time it is a big checkmate 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:11 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: should i consider of deleting my post describing you as a great contributor to TC and the glorious nation of turkey! |
Well of course - but I know you disagree with erasing posts |
this time it is a big checkmate |
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:22 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: ....YUSUFALI: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
that woman is a liar just like you, alameda. |
OK, Femme....very good....you were able to find some verses to support your clain, however neglected to include the lines immediately following...
[Yusufali 5:38] But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
[Yusufali 5:40] Knowest thou not that to Allah (alone) belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? He punisheth whom He pleaseth, and He forgiveth whom He pleaseth: and Allah hath power over all things.
I am not a liar. Have you read Dr Riffat Hassan's work?
My question is: does that mean that we should literally cut someones hands off, or could it be to cut off has the possibility of another interpretation? If Yunus Emre, Mawlānā Jalāl-ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī (who was a judge), do you think their interpretation was as narrow as the one you are telling me?
As for Abu Huraira, his isnad is weak to say the least. One should use logic, among other things to determine the meaning of things. Would the physical cutting of a hand off be of any benefit to society? Would that not then make the person a burden on society?
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:32 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
that woman is a liar just like you
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Don't hold back FF say what you really think! 
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