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230.       turquoise
938 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 11:23 am

haram/helal?.. turk / kurd?.. pkk? whaaa?..

231.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:48 pm

Quoting caliptrix:


Please, really don't erase it, because this is a proof that you have no idea about "god" belief in Islam!
God has no sex



Why should it show, I have no idea about "god" belief in Islam!?
I am not the person who invented the joke.

232.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 12:56 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting AlphaF:


On the contrary, I have a certain respect for PKK supporters fighting on the mountains. That does not stop me from disliking them, since I believe any kind of terrorist should be shot at sight, including Arab suicide bombers. It is the faceless, nameless cowards who keep barking at Turkia, from within the safety granted to them by Turkia - that I despise.


I have been trying to avoid this but..
This is the WRONG way of thinking.
We have an unfortunate culture in turkey.
when somebody says 'Solution', people understand that 'hitting harder' (in the context of kurdish problem) or when somebody says compromise, people think 'it is something not for a -man like- us'.
Gods sake..These ideas have taken Turkey away from the real solution for the subject!!!
We Turks and Kurd are trying to find the way of living together. When you reduce this problem into simplest way..This is the problem..
If I am really thinking that I want to live with my neighbour, I will never think to kill them and all their kins etc...
There are still things in turkey need to change..
Unfortunately!!



Read my god damn post first for god's sake...then request someone to explain it to you before you mumble anything !

My post is not about Turks and Kurds...It is about PKK terrorists.


Well
I was mumbling about this 'shooting terrorist things' lol
See, what is happening is in Turkey right now:
-we have terrorists..: fine..
-the solution..: we will go and finish them (as usual)..
-then some one says 'i went and killed 20 of them', everybody says 'BRAVO'
-then some one says 'I went there and killed 50 of them', of course, getting more cheers..or you have to say double bravo..

I think something is not right there!!!
We have to think:
did 'killing 50 people instead of 20' bring us what we want? What do we want: trying to find ways of living together..

YES?
So
Is those killings make our objective closer or far away?

I am sure they take us far way from our objective..

It was always the case ..from the begining!!



some good points Handsom and they could be applied to many situations in the world today.

In another thread, some days ago, I talked about a continuum, with black and white being the two ends. What is needed is a little more grey. Mediation is the only way but opposing ends of the continuum have to understand the grey, open their minds, be less intransigent, less blinkered. Neither end of the continuum will achieve anything positive otherwise.

The world urgenyly needs some talented mediators. Mediators who can be trusted. Mediators who can stay neutral. Mediators who don't have a hidden agenda. Dialogue is so important.

This is an extremely tall order given today's ever shrinking world.

btw thanks Handsom and Canli for the well mannered discussion. Need a job? There's mediation work galore, no strings attached he he he

233.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 01:30 pm

Quoting alameda:



Yes I see this, but actually the The Islamic Golden Age extended until around the 1600s, that is not 1000 years.

I agree though, more new work needs to take place.

Inventions of the Islamic world


* 1 Astronomical instruments
o 1.1 Astrolabes
o 1.2 Analog computers
o 1.3 Globes
o 1.4 Mural instruments
o 1.5 Other instruments
* 2 Aviation technology
o 2.1 Parachute
o 2.2 Hang glider
o 2.3 Flight controls
o 2.4 Artificial wings
o 2.5 Artificially-powered manned rocket
o 2.6 Astronautics and space exploration
* 3 Camera technology
o 3.1 Pinhole camera
o 3.2 Camera obscura
* 4 Chemical technology
o 4.1 Chemical processes
o 4.2 Laboratory apparatus
o 4.3 Chemical industries
o 4.4 Drinking industry
o 4.5 Glass industry
o 4.6 Hygiene industries
o 4.7 Perfumery industry
* 5 Civil engineering
o 5.1 Bridge dam
o 5.2 Cobwork
o 5.3 Diversion dam
o 5.4 High-rise skyscrapers and vertical construction urban planning
o 5.5 Prefabricated homes and movable structures
o 5.6 Street lighting and litter collection facilities
o 5.7 Surveying instruments
* 6 Clock technology
o 6.1 Astronomical clocks
o 6.2 Candle clocks
o 6.3 Dials
o 6.4 Elephant clock with automaton, regulator and closed loop
o 6.5 Mechanical clocks
o 6.6 Striking clock
o 6.7 Watch
o 6.8 Water clocks
* 7 Industrial milling
o 7.1 Bridge mill
o 7.2 Factory milling installation
o 7.3 Geared and wind-powered gristmills with trip hammers
o 7.4 Industrial mills
o 7.5 Milling dam
o 7.6 Paper mill
o 7.7 Shipmill
o 7.8 Spiral scoop-wheel
o 7.9 Sugar refinery
o 7.10 Tide mill and tidal-powered machine
o 7.11 Water-powered finery forge
o 7.12 Water turbine
o 7.13 Windmill
* 8 Mechanical technology
o 8.1 Agricultural devices
o 8.2 Artificial weather simulation
o 8.3 Automatic gate
o 8.4 Complex segmental and epicyclic gears
o 8.5 Crankshaft and connecting rod
o 8.6 Crank-driven screw and screwpump
o 8.7 Double-action reciprocating suction piston pump
o 8.8 Flywheel-driven chain pump and noria
o 8.9 Fountain pen
o 8.10 Hodometer
o 8.11 Mechanical singing birds
o 8.12 Metronome
o 8.13 Non-wooden block printing
o 8.14 On/off switch
o 8.15 Programmable humanoid robot
o 8.16 Six-cylinder 'Monobloc' pump
o 8.17 Steam turbine
o 8.18 Ventillator
o 8.19 Other mechanical devices
* 9 Medical technology
o 9.1 Medical treatments
o 9.2 Medical university and public hospital
o 9.3 Surgical instruments
* 10 Military technology
o 10.1 Purified potassium nitrate
o 10.2 Explosive gunpowder
o 10.3 Hand cannon, handgun, portable firearm
o 10.4 Fireproof clothing and dissolved talc
o 10.5 Gunpowder cartridge
o 10.6 Siege cannon
o 10.7 Ballistic war machine
o 10.8 Counterweight trebuchet
o 10.9 Torpedo
o 10.10 Multi-barrel machine gun
o 10.11 Iron rocket artillery
o 10.12 Other weapons
* 11 Navigational technology
o 11.1 Baculus
o 11.2 Caravel
o 11.3 Cartographic instruments
o 11.4 Compass rose
o 11.5 Kamal
o 11.6 Lateen
o 11.7 Three-masted merchant vessel
* 12 Other inventions
o 12.1 Graph paper and orthogonal grids
o 12.2 Institutions

inventions in the Islamic world


alameda,
please dont tell us fairy tales lol
the golden age and scientists you were talking about indeed took place in the history but thanks to the persians.
persians before they were converted to islam by force were the most knowledgable people on the earth, thanks to their ancient empire during and after they developed their science through zoroostrianism, UNTIL all of them were consumated by islam and flushed into the toilet.
from now on they never produced great minds like ibn sina nor al-farabi thanks to a barbaric belief that came from the sands of arabia.

234.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 01:33 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


So
Is those killings make our objective closer or far away?

I am sure they take us far way from our objective..

It was always the case ..from the begining!!


well, handsome, if we look back at history we can see such solutions succeeded many times.
wiping out the enemies or uncomfortable ideas was one of the effective solutions.

it definetly worked with armenians, didnt it?

dont you think they are trying the same with kurds?

235.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 01:36 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

AL QAIDE IS A CREATION OF USA AND DUE TO THIS, AL QAIDA AND USA ARE TERRORISTS AND CREATOR OF TERRORISM. BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FEIGN AN EXCUSE TO FINISH THE EAST AND ESTABLISH THE GREAT MIDDLE EAST PROJECT. AL QAIDA IS NOT ONLY A TERRORIST ORGANIZATOIN, BUT ALSO IT'S A CREATION OF USA.



There must be a lot of dumb muslims out there then who are willing to kill themselves for such a trick eh?


strangely there are so many of them.

236.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 01:44 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


UNTIL all of them were consumated by islam and flushed into the toilet.
from now on they never produced great minds like ibn sina nor al-farabi thanks to a barbaric belief that came from the sands of arabia.


'shock and ewe' again?
Femme..
I spent 'the entire night' to tidy up this thread..lol
And you wake up and....

237.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 01:46 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


well, handsome, if we look back at history we can see such solutions succeeded many times.
wiping out the enemies or uncomfortable ideas was one of the effective solutions.
it definetly worked with armenians, didnt it?
dont you think they are trying the same with kurds?


Those solutions are not the solutions anymore in today's world I am afraid.
And we know it..

238.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 01:56 pm

Quoting thehandsom:



I think in this forum, we talked about REFORM in islam. What is acceptable as a joke, what is freedom of speach, what is really insulting or couple of infidels' cartoons can harm The Creater. They should all be in this reform package.
Islam should have a milder face. And not accepting any critisism or jokes is not doing any good to islam..
It is partly why in the world, christianty is expanding more than islam!!
I really think muslims should be more relaxed about these issues.



1. how do you see the reform of islam? cross off the violent verses? or re-change the verses full of unjustice, sex, wars and afterlife orgies?
i often hear about reform, but can you give me at least an example?

2. christianity doesnt expand as it did in the past, its actually dying.

3. islam is the fastest growing belief thanks to thousands of dudus who marry thousands of azades thus re-producing multi thousands of new little believers

239.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 01:58 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal:


UNTIL all of them were consumated by islam and flushed into the toilet.
from now on they never produced great minds like ibn sina nor al-farabi thanks to a barbaric belief that came from the sands of arabia.


'shock and ewe' again?
Femme..
I spent 'the entire night' to tidy up this thread..lol
And you wake up and....



sorry

good morning!

i just dont want to loose you this time to canli

240.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:01 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal:


well, handsome, if we look back at history we can see such solutions succeeded many times.
wiping out the enemies or uncomfortable ideas was one of the effective solutions.
it definetly worked with armenians, didnt it?
dont you think they are trying the same with kurds?


Those solutions are not the solutions anymore in today's world I am afraid.
And we know it..


hope so
but you know how evil we are. we are capable to do the worst things in the honor of our sick ideoligies.

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