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How (not) to do it - Harams/helals
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:01 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting femme_fatal:
well, handsome, if we look back at history we can see such solutions succeeded many times.
wiping out the enemies or uncomfortable ideas was one of the effective solutions.
it definetly worked with armenians, didnt it? 
dont you think they are trying the same with kurds?  |
Those solutions are not the solutions anymore in today's world I am afraid.
And we know it.. |
hope so
but you know how evil we are. we are capable to do the worst things in the honor of our sick ideoligies.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:04 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom:
So
Is those killings make our objective closer or far away?
I am sure they take us far way from our objective..
It was always the case ..from the begining!!
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well, handsome, if we look back at history we can see such solutions succeeded many times.
wiping out the enemies or uncomfortable ideas was one of the effective solutions.
it definetly worked with armenians, didnt it?
dont you think they are trying the same with kurds? |
You guys definitely do not understand what you read, or do not know what you are talking about.
How many times does it have to be repeated for you to understand Turkia's problem is not with her Kurdish citizens, but with PKK terrorist organization.
It is becoming increasingly obvious that PKK is not purely a Kurdish act either; there are different groups in PKK itself, some of which have goals not overlapping with aims of Kurdish PKK symphatisers.
Terrorists were cleaned before and will be cleaned again, as a matter of principle. I have no desire for a peaceful co existence with any terrorists - be it of Kurdish, Armenian, Turkish or Japanese ethnic origin.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:09 pm |
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Quoting elham: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting adonis:
THEIR ACCOUNTS MUST BE DELETED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIS SITE IS NOT FOR THEM TO SHOW THEIR DEGENERATED AND DISRESPECTFUL VIEWS. |
awwww, then only good people like adonis, elibrody and elham will stay on the site
yeeeyyy! |
you forget Alameda and peactrain  |
Don't worry, peace is getting the next train out of here.
AEnigma and FF have their big shovel and their huge cement mixer but rarely build anything sound. People need hard hats and steel toe capped boots when entering their buildings. I came to this site with bare feet. I made one huge mistake, I lectured someone on their methods . . . not their views, their methods. The scene has been set ever since and it hasn't got anyone anywhere. I hold my hand up and share the blame for this. I ended up wearing a hard hat and using the boots too. It's not a nice thing to admit to but there it is.
I'm leaving bare foot. Without the boots it's easier to tread the right path because one's feet can feel every stone, every thorn, every patch of good soft earth. It's called consciousness.
I've met a lot of great people on this site and not had the pleasure of meeting a great many others whose posts I have enjoyed. I leave the site a richer person. I realise some will be sticking their fingers down their throats as they read this but that's their problem, not mine.
I'll still have fun reading the threads and I'll still use the lessons, I'm just going "cold turkey" (sorry about the pun) and gagging myself, for my own good.
Bye everyone 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:13 pm |
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Quoting peace train:
Bye everyone |
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:22 pm |
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Does anyone see a pair of abandoned boots around, anyone?
Where did she leave her boots? 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:22 pm |
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Quoting peace train:
Don't worry, peace is getting the next train out of here.
AEnigma and FF have their big shovel and their huge cement mixer but rarely build anything sound. People need hard hats and steel toe capped boots when entering their buildings. I came to this site with bare feet. I made one huge mistake, I lectured someone on their methods . . . not their views, their methods. The scene has been set ever since and it hasn't got anyone anywhere. I hold my hand up and share the blame for this. I ended up wearing a hard hat and using the boots too. It's not a nice thing to admit to but there it is.
I'm leaving bare foot. Without the boots it's easier to tread the right path because one's feet can feel every stone, every thorn, every patch of good soft earth. It's called consciousness.
I've met a lot of great people on this site and not had the pleasure of meeting a great many others whose posts I have enjoyed. I leave the site a richer person. I realise some will be sticking their fingers down their throats as they read this but that's their problem, not mine.
I'll still have fun reading the threads and I'll still use the lessons, I'm just going "cold turkey" (sorry about the pun) and gagging myself, for my own good.
Bye everyone |
Come on Peace Train, it's true that this site has evolved into something quite hostile. But not all of us are like that. I do believe that most of us actually are here in order to learn something without bazaar-like attitude or to exchange ideas without using gutter arguments.
Personally I loved the style of your posts and I never felt outraged by your moderate manner.
I believe it's a pity so many people are getting daunted by minorities here. 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:34 pm |
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Very dramatic, heart wrenching post Peace Train. What is it exactly is it that makes you feel so victimised?
I mostly ignore your posts to me, however you seem to find it necessary to trail around after me posting your tired sarcastic comments after everything I write!!
So what is it? The fact that I am happy to argue as vehemently as Adonis or EKTO? I dont see you complaining about their posts.
Anyway...have a nice break I am sure you will be back
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:34 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting femme_fatal:
well, handsome, if we look back at history we can see such solutions succeeded many times.
wiping out the enemies or uncomfortable ideas was one of the effective solutions.
it definetly worked with armenians, didnt it?
dont you think they are trying the same with kurds? |
Those solutions are not the solutions anymore in today's world I am afraid.
And we know it.. |
hope so
but you know how evil we are. we are capable to do the worst things in the honor of our sick ideoligies. |
I am quite hopeful..
I think Turkish people are changing. Ok may be not as fast as you would expect, but there is a change.
But sometimes, i get quite pessimistic as well.
You have no idea how it works there:
someone says 'we need to mop them up, we have to go to northern iraq'.
Then everybody suddenly gets soo crazy about this idea and starts to think that it is the only solution!!
What is it in the end? just going and killing some terrorists. and then everybody acts as if they are in a blood thirsty frenzy.
'killed 20, killed 30, 50, 100'..
And of course , then everybody forgets, we tried this before and it did not work!!
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:41 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
I am quite hopeful..
I think Turkish people are changing. Ok may be not as fast as you would expect, but there is a change.
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good luck!
Quoting thehandsom:
But sometimes, i get quite pessimistic as well.
You have no idea how it works there:
someone says 'we need to mop them up, we have to go to northern iraq'.
Then everybody suddenly gets soo crazy about this idea and starts to think that it is the only solution!!
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no, canim, i do have an idea
you drop such idea among borats, you will get the same results
Quoting thehandsom:
What is it in the end? just going and killing some terrorists. and then everybody acts as if they are in a blood thirsty frenzy.
'killed 20, killed 30, 50, 100'..
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but you know, in this chaos, you get lost, you go ahead to the goal. it is exactly like in boxing, you dont feel the pain, you see the enemy that you have to beat up, and you dont see that you yourself are severely wonded, because you are blinded by the hatred.
Quoting thehandsom:
And of course , then everybody forgets, we tried this before and it did not work!!
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history loves being repeated.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:58 pm |
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Well..
We first started with 'we have no kurds.. they are mountain turks'
Then we said, they are just simple bandits.
then, later on, we acknowledged that 'yes, there are kurds in our country'.
And at some stage, when somebody said the phrase 'political solution', we labeled them as 'traitors'
we put the kurdish MPs in jail at some stage.
But now, even some of the top generals except that this is not a simple bandit problem and there should be 'political solution' too.
See..we are moving on
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 03:00 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Well..
We first started with 'we have no kurds.. they are mountain turks'
Then we said, they are just simple bandits.
then, later on, we acknowledged that 'yes, there are kurds in our country'.
And at some stage, when somebody said the phrase 'political solution', we labeled them as 'traitors'
we put the kurdish MPs in jail at some stage.
But now, even some of the top generals except that this is not a simple bandit problem and there should be 'political solution' too.
See..we are moving on
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hehehehe
sounds like a never ending story.
good luck in a mentality change!
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