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How (not) to do it - Harams/helals
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:32 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
that woman is a liar just like you
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Don't hold back FF say what you really think! 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:37 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting femme_fatal: ....YUSUFALI: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
that woman is a liar just like you, alameda. |
OK, Femme....very good....you were able to find some verses to support your clain, however neglected to include the lines immediately following...
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Alameda . . . you silly woman!!! Don't you know the Motto of Chewing Gum Gang's "ignorant" leader and her "ignorant" deputy is:
"She who edits selectively wins"
They are deluding themselves of course, but then that is a common trait in dictators.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:39 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
My question is: does that mean that we should literally cut someones hands off, or could it be to cut off has the possibility of another interpretation? If Yunus Emre, Mawlānā Jalāl-ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī (who was a judge), do you think their interpretation was as narrow as the one you are telling me?
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I am so sorry Alameda but what do you understand from that verse exactly..I mean you, personally!!
I just saw PT's post..
Pt, what do you understand exactly from the below versus?
38.As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
39. But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
40. Knowest thou not that to Allah (alone) belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? He punisheth whom He pleaseth, and He forgiveth whom He pleaseth: and Allah hath power over all things.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:40 pm |
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Alameda, first you say there are no such verses, then when Femme produces them, you say "does it mean they should be taken literally?".
Actually they ARE taking literally! Only this week in a debate about Sharia Law in the UK, Islamic representatives were saying that these laws were "good deterents" and should be practised throughout the UK!!!!
Who should we believe? YOU? Or Islamic politicans and representatives in the UK?
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:41 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
OK, Femme....very good....you were able to find some verses to support your clain, however neglected to include the lines immediately following...
[Yusufali 5:38] But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
[Yusufali 5:40] Knowest thou not that to Allah (alone) belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? He punisheth whom He pleaseth, and He forgiveth whom He pleaseth: and Allah hath power over all things.
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good trick, alameda, but lets use a logic here. in practice, if you admit the crime (even if you repent) you are due to a punishment. otherwise there would be no thief with all limbs. you are caught on crime, you admit, your hand gets chopped off, not only.
alameda, do you wanna watch videos, how the hands were chopped off? i can give you a link. according to hadiths, the prophet himself did such violent acts.
Quoting alameda:
I am not a liar.
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you are a big liar, alameda.
Quoting alameda:
Have you read Dr Riffat Hassan's work?
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i had my hundreds of debates with muslims, they sent me thousands of links and works supporting islam. have read them. and was tired of their constant lies 
Quoting alameda:
My question is: does that mean that we should literally cut someones hands off, or could it be to cut off has the possibility of another interpretation? If Yunus Emre, Mawlānā Jalāl-ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī (who was a judge), do you think their interpretation was as narrow as the one you are telling me?
As for Abu Huraira, his isnad is weak to say the least. One should use logic, among other things to determine the meaning of things. Would the physical cutting of a hand off be of any benefit to society? Would that not then make the person a burden on society? |
this must be discussed widely among muslims, such laws arent practised in a civilised world which hate so much.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:45 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom
38.As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
39. But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
40. Knowest thou not that to Allah (alone) belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? He punisheth whom He pleaseth, and He forgiveth whom He pleaseth: and Allah hath power over all things.
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I have a question, Handsom....does allah forgive you BEFORE or AFTER some guy cuts your hand off?
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:48 pm |
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I am all confused elisabeth..
how did you managed to do that?
You managed to brake the html design of the page..gee 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:49 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I am all confused elisabeth..
how did you managed to do that?
You managed to brake the html design of the page..gee |
Elisabeth tidy your post up you bed girl 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:55 pm |
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Was that me???? Sorry!
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:56 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I am all confused elisabeth..
how did you managed to do that?
You managed to brake the html design of the page..gee |
So what is the answer to my question....does Allah forgive you before or after some guy cuts your hand off?
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 10:57 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Was that me???? Sorry! |
your question is not addressed to the right person, hun.
handsome is a dreamer he knows nothing
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