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How (not) to do it - Harams/helals
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 03:46 am |
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Quoting AlphaF:
On the contrary, I have a certain respect for PKK supporters fighting on the mountains. That does not stop me from disliking them, since I believe any kind of terrorist should be shot at sight, including Arab suicide bombers. It is the faceless, nameless cowards who keep barking at Turkia, from within the safety granted to them by Turkia - that I despise.
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I have been trying to avoid this but..
This is the WRONG way of thinking.
We have an unfortunate culture in turkey.
when somebody says 'Solution', people understand that 'hitting harder' (in the context of kurdish problem) or when somebody says compromise, people think 'it is something not for a -man like- us'.
Gods sake..These ideas have taken Turkey away from the real solution for the subject!!!
We Turks and Kurd are trying to find the way of living together. When you reduce this problem into simplest way..This is the problem..
If I am really thinking that I want to live with my neighbour, I will never think to kill them and all their kins etc...
There are still things in turkey need to change..
Unfortunately!!
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 03:48 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Partner... pls do not be that naive...
With all respect to PKK terrorists themselves, I do not think that their leaders have the experience, skill or expertise to run a guerilla war against the Turkish Army.
This operation needs knowledge and experience in strategy, lojistics, financing, purchasing, recruitment, medical, indoctrination, training, planning etc.(I am not even mentioning the drug running side, which requires a specialised expertise of its own) which will need graduates of at least West Point or an equivalent military school.
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Dont you be so naive either Alpha. You are a victim of your Turkish press if you believe that western governments support the PKK. There are millions of Kurdish immigrants who support the PKK yes, but you are being paranoid and typically full of conspiracy theories if you believe anything other than that!
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 03:48 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: adonis..will you NOT write in capitals ya?..
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+10000
İ cant read it lol
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 03:55 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AlphaF:
On the contrary, I have a certain respect for PKK supporters fighting on the mountains. That does not stop me from disliking them, since I believe any kind of terrorist should be shot at sight, including Arab suicide bombers. It is the faceless, nameless cowards who keep barking at Turkia, from within the safety granted to them by Turkia - that I despise.
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I have been trying to avoid this but..
This is the WRONG way of thinking.
We have an unfortunate culture in turkey.
when somebody says 'Solution', people understand that 'hitting harder' (in the context of kurdish problem) or when somebody says compromise, people think 'it is something not for a -man like- us'.
Gods sake..These ideas have taken Turkey away from the real solution for the subject!!!
We Turks and Kurd are trying to find the way of living together. When you reduce this problem into simplest way..This is the problem..
If I am really thinking that I want to live with my neighbour, I will never think to kill them and all their kins etc...
There are still things in turkey need to change..
Unfortunately!! |
Read my god damn post first for god's sake...then request someone to explain it to you before you mumble anything !
My post is not about Turks and Kurds...It is about PKK terrorists.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 03:56 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting thehandsom: adonis..will you NOT write in capitals ya?..
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+10000
İ cant read it lol |
He cant help it when he is angry - he shouts.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 03:57 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting CANLI:
Actually,no we dont !
We dont make jokes about our religion even between eachothers because we respect it
When you believe in something and respect it you dont make jokes about it.
Even when bad things happened,we accept it as fate,as test,and we dont blame ALLAH for it
So,as japrak has pointed out the way West and east deal with religion is way much different!
That is why you 'West'cant understand why we 'East' get offended when the discussion in religions regarding İslam reach certain limit .
We have great deal of respect to what we believe!
Same as we too,we dont get it when 'West' make jokes with religion 'Christianity'
We dont get it and we dont accept it,so you dont find Muslim make joke of it tho...but,all to his ways,and its THEİR religion!
When someone talk about God as if talking about his friend,fighting with God,making fun of HİM...we dont understand it...
''HEY,that is GOD,HE is YOUR creator SHOW some respect,you respect your Mom and Dad for giving birth to you,dont you respect the one who MADE you,and MADE your parents too ?!!!''
That is what we think about it in those stiuations..but as i said all to his ways .
So you see,the way we see religion,the way we deal with it is different! |
With all due respect to what you believe Canli, but what you are saying is kind of approval of what femme said in the first place about muslims are easily offended about the jokes. And it is also KIND OF approval of condemming salman rushdi, danish cartoons etc..
But cant you see that these ideas were always common in the west? The only difference is the internet age and the information traveling so fast. so that some cartoons are printed, guys in pakistans sees the following day..(and somehow, tragically, some of them get killed in demonstrations  )
Since, we know that there is freedom of expression, and also we know that there are people thinking those things about islam.
Why dont you want to hear them? why is always people sent after those people responsible? (many people sent after s rushdi, they are trying to kill those danish cartonists, in Turkey, they burnt more than 30 intellects alive in sivas madimak-because aziz nesin published s rushdi's book )
About beliving in something and not making jokes about it: Sorry but, you are wrong and how come can you speak of all islamic people? there are many many jokes about mohammed and religion in turkish language. I can give some examples if you like..
About not questioning the bad things and simply call it faith is another thing I will disagree. I really believe that it is the part of reason why all the muslim countries are not developed!! Leaving everything to Allah kind of blocks the search for what is going wrong..
I think in this forum, we talked about REFORM in islam. What is acceptable as a joke, what is freedom of speach, what is really insulting or couple of infidels' cartoons can harm The Creater. They should all be in this reform package.
Islam should have a milder face. And not accepting any critisism or jokes is not doing any good to islam..
It is partly why in the world, christianty is expanding more than islam!!
I really think muslims should be more relaxed about these issues.
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whether I agree or disagree with this post is irrelevant. I just want to say thank you for the respectful way you put your point across. Thank you.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 04:00 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Here in Egypt we Muslim and Christians live together,i didnt hear any joke about either Mohamed SAV or Christ too,maybe about İmam,about priests,about Muslims and Christians,but NEVER about prophets,so yes pls send to me. |
Canli I think you misundestood what Femme and I were saying about humour. I was not, for one moment, suggesting that you would make jokes about prophets. I am talking about making jokes or laughing at such details like the topic of this thread, about parts of religion (day to day culture).
We are saying that all other cultures do this, except muslims.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 04:00 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: Partner... pls do not be that naive...
With all respect to PKK terrorists themselves, I do not think that their leaders have the experience, skill or expertise to run a guerilla war against the Turkish Army.
This operation needs knowledge and experience in strategy, lojistics, financing, purchasing, recruitment, medical, indoctrination, training, planning etc.(I am not even mentioning the drug running side, which requires a specialised expertise of its own) which will need graduates of at least West Point or an equivalent military school.
Believe it, or not ! |
Dont you be so naive either Alpha. You are a victim of your Turkish press if you believe that western governments support the PKK. There are millions of Kurdish immigrants who support the PKK yes, but you are being paranoid and typically full of conspiracy theories if you believe anything other than that! |
Dont be angry partner...Just keep a close watch on developments in the area. This is an old film, we have seen before !
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 04:04 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting alameda:
The difference is the Islamic world is now in a compromised state, thus the reaction is different. Certainly throughout history we have seen a different story.
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Alameda, islam has been in a compromised situation from more that 1000 years. Islamic world started well ahead in science and everything comparing to christian west!! But there has been no science or credible scients islamic world created for nearly 1000 years. Please see this!!
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Yes I see this, but actually the The Islamic Golden Age extended until around the 1600s, that is not 1000 years.
I agree though, more new work needs to take place.
Inventions of the Islamic world
* 1 Astronomical instruments
o 1.1 Astrolabes
o 1.2 Analog computers
o 1.3 Globes
o 1.4 Mural instruments
o 1.5 Other instruments
* 2 Aviation technology
o 2.1 Parachute
o 2.2 Hang glider
o 2.3 Flight controls
o 2.4 Artificial wings
o 2.5 Artificially-powered manned rocket
o 2.6 Astronautics and space exploration
* 3 Camera technology
o 3.1 Pinhole camera
o 3.2 Camera obscura
* 4 Chemical technology
o 4.1 Chemical processes
o 4.2 Laboratory apparatus
o 4.3 Chemical industries
o 4.4 Drinking industry
o 4.5 Glass industry
o 4.6 Hygiene industries
o 4.7 Perfumery industry
* 5 Civil engineering
o 5.1 Bridge dam
o 5.2 Cobwork
o 5.3 Diversion dam
o 5.4 High-rise skyscrapers and vertical construction urban planning
o 5.5 Prefabricated homes and movable structures
o 5.6 Street lighting and litter collection facilities
o 5.7 Surveying instruments
* 6 Clock technology
o 6.1 Astronomical clocks
o 6.2 Candle clocks
o 6.3 Dials
o 6.4 Elephant clock with automaton, regulator and closed loop
o 6.5 Mechanical clocks
o 6.6 Striking clock
o 6.7 Watch
o 6.8 Water clocks
* 7 Industrial milling
o 7.1 Bridge mill
o 7.2 Factory milling installation
o 7.3 Geared and wind-powered gristmills with trip hammers
o 7.4 Industrial mills
o 7.5 Milling dam
o 7.6 Paper mill
o 7.7 Shipmill
o 7.8 Spiral scoop-wheel
o 7.9 Sugar refinery
o 7.10 Tide mill and tidal-powered machine
o 7.11 Water-powered finery forge
o 7.12 Water turbine
o 7.13 Windmill
* 8 Mechanical technology
o 8.1 Agricultural devices
o 8.2 Artificial weather simulation
o 8.3 Automatic gate
o 8.4 Complex segmental and epicyclic gears
o 8.5 Crankshaft and connecting rod
o 8.6 Crank-driven screw and screwpump
o 8.7 Double-action reciprocating suction piston pump
o 8.8 Flywheel-driven chain pump and noria
o 8.9 Fountain pen
o 8.10 Hodometer
o 8.11 Mechanical singing birds
o 8.12 Metronome
o 8.13 Non-wooden block printing
o 8.14 On/off switch
o 8.15 Programmable humanoid robot
o 8.16 Six-cylinder 'Monobloc' pump
o 8.17 Steam turbine
o 8.18 Ventillator
o 8.19 Other mechanical devices
* 9 Medical technology
o 9.1 Medical treatments
o 9.2 Medical university and public hospital
o 9.3 Surgical instruments
* 10 Military technology
o 10.1 Purified potassium nitrate
o 10.2 Explosive gunpowder
o 10.3 Hand cannon, handgun, portable firearm
o 10.4 Fireproof clothing and dissolved talc
o 10.5 Gunpowder cartridge
o 10.6 Siege cannon
o 10.7 Ballistic war machine
o 10.8 Counterweight trebuchet
o 10.9 Torpedo
o 10.10 Multi-barrel machine gun
o 10.11 Iron rocket artillery
o 10.12 Other weapons
* 11 Navigational technology
o 11.1 Baculus
o 11.2 Caravel
o 11.3 Cartographic instruments
o 11.4 Compass rose
o 11.5 Kamal
o 11.6 Lateen
o 11.7 Three-masted merchant vessel
* 12 Other inventions
o 12.1 Graph paper and orthogonal grids
o 12.2 Institutions
inventions in the Islamic world
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 04:05 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
Btw,you said there is many jokes about mohammed and religion in turkish language.
İm curios about it,so can you pls pm me some of them ?!
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Ok One of them goes like that (just came into my mind)
A beautiful and very sexy woman enters the heaven, But she is really something (like eve mendes)
three prophets start to argue who will get her..and they decide to throw dice.
First moses..5X5
Second Jesus..5X6
And Mohammed..he trows his dice and it is 6X6
Of course he gets very happy.. and just before he takes the woman,
a huge pair of dice roll from the sky: 7X7
===please dont quote this joke..in case I need to erase it..
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 04:07 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
===please dont quote this joke..in case I need to erase it.. |
İ guess you do lolll
So its common you 'in Türkiye' make fun ,and jokes of prophets and ALLAH ?!
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