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A Feminist Islamic Reform in Turkey
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 01:35 am |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting SuiGeneris: This treatments has nothing to the with the education in universities... and universities are going to be in the way as high schools in Turkey unfortunately...
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of course it has many things to education...the closest sample to me is my sister..she could not go to universty only because she was headscarved...so she didnt have any job! because as you know girls graduated from high schools dont mean so much in turkey...yes she is not married with a monster now but she could have her own financial freedom if she could go to universty( she has never wanted sheria )to think that those girls want sheria in turkey is just a paranoia of some paranoids...people who compare turkey and iran apperantly have no historical knowledge.democracy or any modern system has never existed in iran..they have always been under a totalitarian regime...To think that Turkey's laic democratic system is as weak as shah's f.cking military junta is just stupidity and ignorance..nothing more! anyway i think what i m talking about is off topic, sorry |
I know you will not understand or appreciate my reply, but I shall tell you the truth...Whether you like it or not is up to you...
1. If you live in a secular country, your main difference from another country is that society is not run by laws designed to follow the divine aspirations of any religion.
2. This does not mean that the religious rules are bad. But especially in a country where you have more than one religious group, Secular State must stand at equal distance from the different groups, trying not to favor one against the other.
3. It is foolish to expect the Secular State to set up Universities to match exact demands of all possible students, ie, those with turban, those without turban, communists, nudists, peanuts, wallnuts, nationalists, racists etc.
So what the Secular State does is to set up the Universities in accordance with the existing secular laws. The rules regarding the management of the university and the rules that students will have to follow are prepared in accordance with secular laws and availed to all future students.
4. The realm of "personal liberties" or "individual freedoms" starts after everybody reads these rules and understands them. It is then upto the individuals to consider the rules and their own priorities and decide whether they wish to conform to the rules and seek admittance to a university or not.
5.In a secular country, citizens are expected to follow secular rules. It is not allowed to use the citizen rights, to gain advantage for one's own religion or own convictions - the freedom granted by secular democracy can not be used to change the system into one of teocracy either.
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 01:48 am |
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Quoting Turkish_Captain: TURKEY IS JUST FOR TURKS..AND JUST TURKS CAN DISCUSS ABOUT TURK CULTURE AND ISLAMIC LIFE IN TURKEY..IT'S NOT INTERESTED ANYONE ...YOU SEE? pls DONT PASTE THIS LINK'S HERE ...THANKS. |
You seem to have a sick mind. You are actually saying that I should not be interested in Turkey at all, that I am not allowed to visit Turkey anymore (its just for turks), that I cant be interested in İslamic life in Turkey.
Just for your info, I hope to work in Turkey one day and I hope to know damn well how your islamic life is before offereing someone a bacon-tomato sandwich!!
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 01:51 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Adonis, I wish you could shine some of your charisma in your writing, as you do in your pictures...  |
 HAHAHAH well his pictures are exactly like his writing!!! Black and white!!
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 02:00 am |
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Lapinkulta, Adonis and Turkish_Captain, I ask you friendly to back off a little. These forums are meant for people who want to know more about Turkey. They would not want it if they were not interested in it, am I wrong? To understand something, means you need to get in a discussion. And as much as we all love Turkey, there are enough things that we can discuss about.
Islam and politics are two main themes in Turkey, because they will determine the future of (y)our country. If someone says that a prayer is invalid when a woman passes by, it is very normal that people wonder hwy someone would actually support Islam. People will keep wondering that until they talk about it and learn something from other people, who show them their point of view. And since we all have our own backgrounds, we will all have different values and ideas. These can lead to critics on other peoples thought, but there is nothing wrong about that if we remain interested in what the other is saying.
So what I would like to state as forum-rule number 1:
1. CRITICISM İS NOT A BAD THİNG
(2. Making jokes is necessary to go on the study-process )
Please stop acting like victims of turkishness, people were done with that long time ago. We dont tolerate personal attacks, and we certainly dont tolerate 'Turkey is just for Turks'. Simply BECAUSE İT İS NOT. We will discuss all topics that have to do with Turkey, and this discussion seemed to go pretty fine until YOU 3 started complaining that we make fun of Turkey. If you have nothing better to do than protect the internet from genuine people genuinely discussing Turkey, feel free to leave and start a milliyetçi.com .
DK
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 02:24 am |
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Islam and feminism is in the same sentence. Hahahaha
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 02:40 am |
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Quoting Animal Mother: Islam and feminism is in the same sentence. Hahahaha |
I was going to say this loooooong ago, heheheheh.
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 02:40 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Lapinkulta, Adonis and Turkish_Captain, I ask you friendly to back off a little. These forums are meant for people who want to know more about Turkey. They would not want it if they were not interested in it, am I wrong? To understand something, means you need to get in a discussion. And as much as we all love Turkey, there are enough things that we can discuss about.
Islam and politics are two main themes in Turkey, because they will determine the future of (y)our country. If someone says that a prayer is invalid when a woman passes by, it is very normal that people wonder hwy someone would actually support Islam. People will keep wondering that until they talk about it and learn something from other people, who show them their point of view. And since we all have our own backgrounds, we will all have different values and ideas. These can lead to critics on other peoples thought, but there is nothing wrong about that if we remain interested in what the other is saying.
So what I would like to state as forum-rule number 1:
1. CRITICISM İS NOT A BAD THİNG
(2. Making jokes is necessary to go on the study-process )
Please stop acting like victims of turkishness, people were done with that long time ago. We dont tolerate personal attacks, and we certainly dont tolerate 'Turkey is just for Turks'. Simply BECAUSE İT İS NOT. We will discuss all topics that have to do with Turkey, and this discussion seemed to go pretty fine until YOU 3 started complaining that we make fun of Turkey. If you have nothing better to do than protect the internet from genuine people genuinely discussing Turkey, feel free to leave and start a milliyetçi.com .
DK |
DK is my new idol! So wise! 
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 03:58 am |
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Quoting Roswitha: what was actually the cause of the beating? |
It makes absolutely no difference what the cause was, what the relationship was, where it was....it is wrong!! 
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 04:01 am |
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True, Girleegirl
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 04:05 am |
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Quoting adonis:
Because of being a Turkish boy, i don't allow you to make these kinda comments. you are feminist whereas i'm a Kemalist. you are feminist whereas i'm anti-imperialist. you are feminist whereas i'm secular. you are feminist whereas i'm independent. this is the difference between us. you got it?
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No...I certainly don't 'got it'! Maybe you can't understand this so I will make it clear for you....You don't get to tell us what we talk about. We are feminists whereas you are living in the dark ages!!!
We will continue voicing our opinions on whatever subjects we choose and there is nothing you can do about it....GOT IT?
Quoting adonis:
these are my last words... take care... |
We can only hope.
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06 Feb 2008 Wed 04:08 am |
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Quoting adonis:
earthquake and the other events are natural events and they causes destruction and pain and interest to the entire world. So, the foreigners certainly talk these kind of issues in Turkey and if they wanna help Turkey, they are welcome.
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What a completely predictable reponse.
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