If your god is a GOOD one, I will discover in the other life what the value of being a GOOD PERSON is, instead of saying you believe.

But I wonder what Allah is saying here:

Surah 2:

6. As to those who reject faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

To me it sounds like it is not my fault that I cannot see the truth, for allah has covered my eyes!

 There are multiple crimes every second! Most women dare to share their hair and face

 it´s been long discussion , and pardon me , it´s the last one i´ll take .  

 if she´s facing flogging?   oh my god , who said so ?? you have to correct you infos miss

so you say there are no one has a Convinced in islam ?

all musilm are muslims because they scary of death , or because they are happy that they are men in a county where men have more rights than women ? what a judgment !

all muslims are happy in islam because it´s the right way to live , and everyone takes his right , believe it or not , women have more rights in islam than men .

yes allah will  judge them after they die , and allah orders us to kill who leave islam .

when weman shows her face she didn´t Obey allah´s order , but what is the punishment ? nothing we should do more than adivce her to obey allah´s order , and allah will  judge her .

islam doesn´t order to kill anyone reject islam , but the muslims they leave islam .

 we didn´t consider discovering face or hair as a crime it is a sin .

but seriously , where is all noise about how democracy is the greatest and The fittest system in the world ?

why can´t democracy contol these uncontroled criminals ?

even there are cams over london , but nothing then more and more crimes .

 oh sorry , i didn´t know that you´re blind

you can see the truth but you don´t want to follow it .

any way as i mentioned it´s been long discussion , intresting topic , great poeple to discuss with .

but as you know , it´s a life time topic ,  we can´t finish it at all you know , and i´m so busy with my master´s research (please wish me  that i finish it on the time , i´m in the deadline ) .

i´m sorry if i bothered anyone of you .

see you in next topics ( but that life time ones please

 And who told you that i didnt do that ?!

Ý agree with you here on what you´ve said, and after all that Ýmams, or Sheikh said Niqap isnt an order from ALLAH but Hijab is

So again you never answered my question why do you force women to cover their faces even its not an order from ALLAH

And you never answered my question as well why do you punish them even there is no punishment for that in neither Quran nor Sunna ?!

Ýts not same as heroin, in heroin imams neaded to measure the identical in order to say it is prohibited  because its not mentioned in Quran nor hadith, its something new

But hijab is already mentioned so if ALLAH wanted women to cover their faces as well HE could have said so...but HE didnt, so why would we need to measure anything when we already have our rule ?

That is a first, and a second, yes i agree with you we do take our knowledge that way from Quran,Sunna and from hadith, fiqh science ...etc

But also those all have 2 sources Quran and Sunna they are our base, and as you may know there is no imam can say anything without bring the evidence for what he says from Quran or Sunna or else it wont be accredited.

The greatness about Ýslam is its a religion of minds meaning it talks to my mind then given me the rule for that, i would able to add 1+1 =2...never 3 thats why we be convinced about what we do and what we believe

Thats why i dont feel bad when my brother for example would inherit double what i would .

Ý understand why ALLAH ordered us this, and im convinced about it.

There is nothing called ´because its how it is´

Thats why we believe and do what we are convinced to do

So when Ýmams say Hijab is a rule from ALLAH, its easy to get the proofs from Quran and sunna, there are ayat in Quran saying that, and also at hadith

But when you say niqab is also a rule because Ayþa RA was wearing it...that wouldnt make it a rule!

Rasul´s wives were wearining Niqab and that is happened after Ömer RA saw one of them ´Sawda i believe´ when she was walking alone and said ´Ã knew you Sawda´  after that Rasul Wives wear niqab out of safety, as you know Ýslam was new and Muslims were targeted at that time .

And it never was an order to all muslim women...

So if i dont get the proofs or evidence from Quran or sunna how on earth would i accept wearing it and by what power you force it on women there ?!

And btw, i went through the link and it only proved that Hijab is an order and niqab was what Rasul and Sahaba´s wives wear...so its exactly same as i said.

You ask me to give you true examples about how women been treated by  El amr Bil ma3roof  ?

And how would you accept if they were true or not, you are dening it all together.

Ýt happens to many during Haj season too, and we hear many stories about it.

Men were hit not strong but never the less hit and thats the point and were ordered to order his wife to wear decent meaning to cover up all together, the woman was just wearing hijab ..

PS: Thanks for the link

 Actually its a big topic D_K if human got the choice or he is dectated what to do !

Ýts not easy to explain it but in short it goes like...human has the choice thats why he carry the consequences of his choice at same time ALLAH as god know what those choice would be and regarding to this HE already condemn them by what they will do.

So as you have the choice, the fault still would be yours.

Ý hope i made it clear...

And taking this as an example too, thats why one wont be able to understand Quran correctly if he/she doesnt have the knowledge for that, and only by having the right books or better imams they will

Later, you would get rest of the things by your own once you read, or you would know where you get the information you need in order to understand the backgrounds.

Actually abudy it was a nice debate, explained many about how you think

Ýt was a pleasure

ALLAH with you in your studies inþallah

 Sounds reasonable.

But CANLI, what if I study all the religious books that I need? And what if I consult all the famous Imams and live like a good person (I already do ) but what if I can still not believe?  Maybe I will stop saying that I am against it, maybe I will understand more and respect more. But maybe I will never believe. Than what is waiting for me? Hell? Burning fire? Because I was a good person but just couldn´t believe? Does that make you a better person in Allahs eyes than me even though what I do is only HUMAN, and after all that is how god made us, as humans?

What bothers me is that religions don´t have place for those who do not believe. It is logical, but for me it prooves that either god didn´t ´write those books´, or, second possibility, god is evil and only has eye for submission and not for good humanity.

And I also think it was a nice discussion. Now I must go back to cleaning