Yes you are. Let´s call it tragedy for being sake at least for now. Then some Turks+Kurds were killed by them. They were killed by Turks+Kurds. And they started it first.

I don´t think those who has recognised considered the historical facts. Anyway you are all Christians. That´s OK. Who would you take a side with? Of course with them. They are your Christian brothers afters all, right? You don´t even bother mentioning those who were killed by Armenians at all.

And of course this is a part of a big plan to divide Turkey. Let´s assume Turkey has accepted it. Now can you tell me, what´s next? (A hypothetical question)

Armenian issue comes here over and over again,what Turks did is wrong in the eyes of westerns but why dont we discuss crusades,Hiroshima and Nagasaki or Vietnam case,not to mention Palestina,Latin America or others?only Turks did someting wrong which is shouted out by Armenian lobby and supporters?only...?????

 Tem, the difference is that we will freely admit we were wrong about those things.  By the way PLEASE STOP calling us Wsterners - we are different countries!  Do you think all Easterners think exactly the same?  You are Turkish not Eastern eh?

 coz freely admitting is so fashionable in Europe?just a new trend?oh ..ooops,right no more calling Brits westerners......blood is thicker than waterbtw..have u been to hamam today?

 Hahah, why don´t we discuss the others?  Well let´s see what is the topic here and why are you so defensive.  Hey I don´t make excuses for "the Indian Genocide"  but at least we gave them "some" of their land back in which we stole.  If you want to talk further about Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Vietnam, I´ll be more than happy to.  But it´s typical that instead of discussing sensitive Turkish issues you want to redirect the conversation.

Si +++  I have a hard time believing this was not a Genocide and the problem by ignoring this fact is another reason why Turkey won´t get into the EU.  By denouncing this to all the families is like saying it never happened.   What your sending is a message loud and clear that it´s acceptable which gives it good cause to repeat itself in history.  Can you imagine if we said the Holocaust was not a genocide, nope it didn´t happen....no maybe you can´t.  I know there are several topics here in TC that we have already discussed pertaining to this topic.

 of course you know everything,better and more and of course ur point of view is better than mine...we have quite a large assembly of those who think they know better and all about Turkey..can give directions and advice...ahhh,Allah...nothing to do for youEuropean and American experts will do the job

I have been reading this article the other day in Turkish

http://www.taraf.com.tr/makale/2060.htm

The title of the article is ´But they were doing it too´

The writer is explaining (In turkish) first how the nationalism works, how it defines itself etc..

Then it gives some examples about nationalists actions (including armenian issue)

and then says this :

“banal” milliyetçiliðin en yaygýn fragmaný: “Ama onlar da bize yapýyordu.”

Ýlk kim baþlattý? Tabii onlar. 

most widespread fragment of banal nationalisms   is´ but they were doing it too´

who started first? Of course them..

OK here is my REAL opinion on this (not my usual fun post to make people angry )

What is the point in discussing this over and over?  Do we want Turks to stand up and say "yes we slaughtered those Armenians?"  when nobody knows the true facts.  We don´t even know how many Turks were also killed.  Even the most respected historians disagree on this issue.

Things are rarely black and white.  Each country has its good and bad.  This happened a long time ago now.  What will be gained from this "apology" generations later? 

We always complain that Turks evade the issue and point the finger at atrocities committed in other countries, but actually.....shock horror...they DO HAVE A POINT!!!  Who the hell are we to condemn a country for something we THINK might have happened?

To my knowledge, there is no official world police

(Yeah I went to hamam )

 not riders of apocalypsa for sure......)

I am copying this from one of my earlier posts:

A translation - Ahmet Altan´s daily column (from taraf news paper)


I know, telling these things are not welcomed in this country but they endured one of the worst sufferings on this earth.
Dont say that ´but they killed us too´.
Saying this is a real shame..
What is and old man from Adana and a baby from Sivas got to do with Armenian mobs from the borders of Russia
Only being Armenian?
Just think for a moment.
When you are sitting in your home at night, your door is knocked and they take you away by force.
You start walking.
In the middle of the night you are forced to walk on the mountain roads with tired crowds.
An old woman is collapsing next to you.
They are hitting her head with rifle butts.
She is staying there lifeless.
They are smashing her crying grandson to the rocks.
Do you think they are just fairy tales?
Has anybody raped your wife next to you?
Has anybody killed your husband in front of your eyes?
Has anybody taken you away while you were eating your dinner because you are a Turk?
But they did this to hundreds of thousands of people because they were just Armenians
We have a conscience we own.
Are we going to sideline ourselves with ittihatcilar (young turks) because we are from the same blood or we will cry to death of a baby from another nation?
Do you now how many Armanians they killed?
Just because they were Armenians.
Think all of them in the middle of the night on a mountain road.
Hungry, tired and alone.
Infested with lice and ill.
They know they are taken to their deaths.
They are taking them to their deaths.
and killing them.
Hundreds of thousands of them!
Is it really important what nationality they have?
Do you really dont feel sorry for these people who suffered this much because they are Armenians?
For a moment, for a short time, you put yourself in their shoes.
Feel that moment , feel that helplessness
Are we going to ignore their sufferings because we are Turks?
...
And us, we even have forbidden their relatives to write requiems  for many years
They lied to us all the time.
They told us "but they killed us too".
There were mobs over the borders with Russia and they killed.
They were barbarians too.
But what have they got to do with women, babies, men and elders from Bursa,Sivas,Maras and Adana?
Ittihatcilar killed them because they were just Armenians.
Forget ittihacilar, and  murderers.
You are closer to victims not the murderers.
Because you are humans.
And now you are going into their country.
I dont know if we can,
but for the old times sake, if some tears come into our eyes and if we can bumble ´forgive us´.
Maybe a huge weight will be taken from our shoulders and may be a reflection of an old Armenian with mustache will smile for a moment in the place where everybody went and we will all go.