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The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations
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70.       teaschip
3870 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:08 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 That doesn´t keep you from expressing your "opinion" though, does it?

 

Reminds me of.....

 

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

 

so said Joseph Goebbels

 

"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”

 so said Adolf Hitler

 

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

 

so said Joseph Goebbels

 

You see....you have to keep repeating the propaganda...

 

so said G W Bush

 

Let´s see Alamada many things I stated here are indeed "facts"... Most people base their opinions on facts, unlike you. Using your concept theory we would never know the truth about anything...{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

71.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:09 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

Let´s see Alamada many things I stated here are indeed "facts"... Most people base their opinions on facts, unlike you. Using your concept theory we would never know the truth about anything...{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 Seriously...where are your facts that this was "genocide"?

Maybe you have important information that should be passed on to historians who have failed so far...

72.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:11 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 lol lol lol

I do love you

(dont tell hairy)

 

 It´s our little secret.{#lang_emotions_ninja}

73.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:14 pm

 

Quote:

Ataturk just acknowledged that some Armenians were massacred so were some Turks. No one here denies that some Armenians were killed on the way to Syria. That doesnt make it a genocide because there was no planned action to kill all the Armenians.

 

 


Örneðin, Eylül 1919’da Sivas’ta Mustafa Kemal’i ziyaret eden Amerikan Generali Harbord kendisine ‘Ermeni kýtâli hakkýnda ne düþündüðünü’ sorduðunda, Ermenilerin katledilip sürülme le rinin hükümeti ele geçiren küçük bir komitenin ese ri olduðunu kendisinin de bunu ‘takbih’ ettiðini (kýnadýðý) söylemiþtir. (Rauf Orbay, “Rauf Orbay´Ã½n Hatýralarý,” Yakýn Tarihimiz Dergisi, Cilt 3, s.179) 24 Nisan 1920’de, Büyük Millet Meclisi’nde yaptýðý konuþmada da 1915’te Ermenilere yapýlanlarý ‘maziye aid fazâhat’ (geçmiþe ait alçaklýk) olarak tanýmlamýþtýr. (Atatürk´ün TBMM Açýk ve Gizli Oturumlarýndaki Konuþmala rý, Cilt I, Ankara:Kültür Bakanlýðý Yayýnlarý, 1991, s.59.)

a quick translation:

Ataturk in september 1919 gave an answer to the Amerikan general  Harbord (for his question about what Ataturk thought about Armenians) : he dispparoved what is done to the armenians and he blamed a small comitte which was in the goverment -he meant young Turks-

And in April 1920 he told in the parliement that ´what is done to armenians was a lowlesness belongs to past´

74.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:17 pm

 

a quick translation:

Ataturk in september 1919 gave an answer to the Amerikan general Harbord (for his question about what Ataturk thought about Armenians) : he dispparoved what is done to the armenians and he blamed a small comitte which was in the goverment -he meant young Turks-

And in April 1920 he told in the parliement that ´what is done to armenians was a lowlesness belongs to past´

 

 

and how does that contradict to what I said? Ataturk also talked about the massacres of Turks carried out by the Armenians in Nutuk.

75.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:24 pm

Quote:

hitler never talked about the so called armenian genocide. That`s just cheap armenian propaganda and has no proof, but there are lots of documents proving the armenian collaboration with the nazis in the ww2. Do you know how many armenians were there in the nazi army?check out tallarmeniantale.com and get enlightened.

 

Apperantly, what Hitler said was authanticated authenticated by Dr. K.B. Bardakjian, at Harvard in 1985 from secret notes taken by German Admiral Wilhelm Canaris during Hitler´s speech..

I still dont understand why what Hitler said was so Important!

 

76.       wind
37 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:28 pm

what a columnist write is not true all the time

77.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:30 pm

Secret notes from speeches, things overheard?  All of this would be considered hearsay in a courtroom!

78.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:30 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

 

I still dont understand why what Hitler said was so Important!

 

it`s all about how low Armenians can get to portray Turks as evil. even the most biased resources say that its an alleged quote.

 

did hitler eyewitness what happened in Turkey in the ww1? No.

79.       si++
3785 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:32 pm

The problem of "Armenian genocide" is a much more serious one than it is thought by everyone, because it keeps breeding violence in more places than it is realized. The solution is to expose the truth, the whole truth related to this problem.

The Ottoman Empire was not an empire like the others, meaning that it was not built through colonization. It was created by the necessity of self-defense. And Ottoman rulers believed that it was their God-given duty to protect the peoples of the countries they ruled. For example, they reduced taxes in all those countries, abolished taxes in poor countries, and even sent sacks of gold to countries and cities in need, including some European cities. They sent food to Ireland when it was badly needed. They sent aid as far as Indonesia. They treated all citizens equally. When they liberated Cyprus from the occupation of Catholics, they sent gold, materials, personnel, and even drawings to repair Orthodox churches left in ruin by the Catholic occupiers. This is how the Ottoman "Empire" lived for 500 years. Armenians were given the status of preferred people because of their activities useful to all citizens.

After the Ottoman rule´s usefulness and power diminished, Western states began dismantling the Ottoman "Empire" for colonizing many of the countries they "liberated." Their main strategy was to promise independence to the non-Turkish citizens and to help them to rebel against the State. This strategy worked well in the Balkans and in the south of Anatolia, because Turks constituted a minority in most cities there.

But, the Westerners and the Russians made the mistake of using the "liberation" strategy also in Anatolia where the Turks constituted the majority. They choose the Armenians as their tool in Eastern Anatolia. For this strategy to work, Armenians had to become the majority, and this necessitated genocide against the Turks. This is how Anatolian genocide began, but it was committed extremely savagely by the Armenians against the Turks, with the help of Western powers and the Russian army invading Northeastern Anatolia. This is the great truth that has to be known by the whole world. Armenians joined Russian troupes in masses and also engaged in sabotage acts behind the Turkish army. The guilty Armenians fled with the retreating Russian forces. This process was repeated several times following the military developments and carried many Armenians outside Anatolia. The same things happened again in Southeastern Anatolia with French forces using the Armenians. Of course, Turks defended themselves but never committed the atrocities like those committed by Armenians. Also, more Turks died than Armenians, because Armenians were trying to realize genocide.

80.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 09:34 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

it`s all about how low Armenians can get to portray Turks as evil. even the most biased sources say that its an alleged quote.

 

did hitler eyewitness what happened in Turkey in the ww1? No.

well..

then why we, Turkish goverment, spending huge amount of time trying to prove he did not say that..?

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