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Turkey ranks low in world gender equality index
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110.       zettea
160 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 09:06 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 yeah, so sorry for bunch of evil western bikini wearing women disagreed with her. {#lang_emotions_sad}

if not the western influence the turkish women would be happy enjoying the wonderful family life. Ataturk was then wrong giving them equality and taking away their veils.

 

 errrr excuse moi i didnt say those who choose to wear bikini are evil{#lang_emotions_you_crazy} No one is perfect duh. one can cover frm head to toe with cloth or fake tan but still what´s inside that matters. Ataturk is a superb political leader he gives women the right on how to practise their beliefs..Turks have free will to some point in history after he passed away...and then the ban on headscarf at some premises came about some 20 years ago.

 

To each its own.. some women find working more fulfilling for them and some feel doing housechores, feeding and disciplining their own kid is more fulfilling for them. Some can even do both.. work from home do small businesses etc. Dont look down on burqa women femme. Many are educated but its their personal choice to be housewives(they are satisfied with what they have and dont feel the need for another source of income.. Being materialistic is not in their hearts) There are those who are talented or have great skills too. Just imagine this..for example.. if they can sew their own children´s clothes.. when the child goes to school and the teacher ask who bought it for him.. he can proudly say his mother sewed it lovingly for him. i personally find that rewarding.

 

I know working mothers who after a hard day at work come back, cook dinner, check their children homeworks, wake up early morning, prepare breakfast, send their kids to school and head to work........ i have my utmost respect for them as well. Every family structure is so different.. Sometimes culture plays a role. There are also women whose aged parents are under their care.

111.       zettea
160 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 09:07 am

By the way, there will never be equality in gender... just equity

112.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 09:13 am

 

Quoting zettea

By the way, there will never be equality in gender... just equity

 

 Equality, equity....you are just splitting hairs....this is about RIGHTS.

113.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 09:23 am

 

Quoting zettea

 errrr excuse moi i didnt say those who choose to wear bikini are evil{#lang_emotions_you_crazy} No one is perfect duh. one can cover frm head to toe with cloth or fake tan but still what´s inside that matters. Ataturk is a superb political leader he gives women the right on how to practise their beliefs..Turks have free will to some point in history after he passed away...and then the ban on headscarf at some premises came about some 20 years ago.

 

To each its own.. some women find working more fulfilling for them and some feel doing housechores, feeding and disciplining their own kid is more fulfilling for them. Some can even do both.. work from home do small businesses etc. Dont look down on burqa women femme. Many are educated but its their personal choice to be housewives(they are satisfied with what they have and dont feel the need for another source of income.. Being materialistic is not in their hearts) There are those who are talented or have great skills too. Just imagine this..for example.. if they can sew their own children´s clothes.. when the child goes to school and the teacher ask who bought it for him.. he can proudly say his mother sewed it lovingly for him. i personally find that rewarding.

 

I know working mothers who after a hard day at work come back, cook dinner, check their children homeworks, wake up early morning, prepare breakfast, send their kids to school and head to work........ i have my utmost respect for them as well. Every family structure is so different.. Sometimes culture plays a role. There are also women whose aged parents are under their care.

 

I think I quite agree with this post... The only thing I´d like to mention is that sometimes there is more to life then we can imagine -- because the filters of religion, culture, socioeconomic status can obstruct the view rather often... That´s why I´d say never stop to question everything.. and don´t let anybody tell you you´re not good enough to raise your voice and object something.

114.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 09:41 am

 

Quoting cedars

Here is the link to the full report, enjoy reading.

http://www.weforum.org/pdf/gendergap/report2008.pdf

 

 

"If Lebanon was not my country I would have chosen lebanon to be my country" Gibran Khalil Gibran

 

This report seems odd anyway... Iran is above Turkey? And Saudi Arabia is only a few spots lower? It doesn´t make any sense.

115.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 10:49 am

 

Quoting catwoman

This report seems odd anyway... Iran is above Turkey? And Saudi Arabia is only a few spots lower? It doesn´t make any sense.

 

 I hope you are right - I was planning on marrying my dudu next week

116.       cedars
235 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 11:44 am

 

Quoting catwoman

This report seems odd anyway... Iran is above Turkey? And Saudi Arabia is only a few spots lower? It doesn´t make any sense.

 

 
When looking at the subindexes one can have a clearer idea on what makes a difference between one country and another.

Both Iran and Saudi arabia have a better educational attainement for women (literacy rate and enrollement in primary, seconday and tertiary education)
Also Iran has a better score than turkey in economic participation and opportunity.

Now the question is whether they were biased in sampling the population!

It is still odd anyways, because as far as I know,  women in saudi arabia are not even registered and they dont have a  national identity cards, so unless they check hospital records for birth rates, saudis must not have any idea how many female births occur each year! only boys are registered; so how did they do this gender gap  analysis thing?!!

 

 

 

117.       Merih
933 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 11:57 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

Merih you are completely off the mark! The thing about equality is having the OPTIONS to CHOOSE what you want out of your life………..just like a man does.  The RIGHT to make your own choices and have those choices be of equal value to your male counterpart.

 

Not one person here has said a woman who chooses to stay home is less valuable than a woman who chooses to work!  {#lang_emotions_neutral}

 

 I want to tell you a story.. about perception:

 

The real owners of Australia, the Aboriginals were treated badly by the first immigrants, sent out of their lands for a long time.  Then the Australian government understood that they were wrong, and in an attempt to higher their living standards, they gave every family a house.  And you know what the Aboriginals did, put their belongings and some of their animals in the house, and they slept in their garden, under the open sky... like they always did.

 

So, can you tell me that they are uneducated, undeveloped because they did not want to live in the house like the other people does?

 

So the point is: 

Being educated doesn´t necessarily make you equal to man.

Given a choice and financial support, do you think all the girls and women in Turkey will run to Uni´s and start working?? I don´t think so.

And who says, if you are not educated or working, you can´t make choices for yourself and your family?

 

And, the very important fact we should not forget:

RIGHTS ARE NOT GIVEN, THEY ARE TAKEN.

 

Turkey is a country to give the Women their rights long before any other country did.  And yet this is not valued, because they did not fight for it.  Nobody suffered, unlike the European countries.  So today´s women in turkey is fighting to get the value of it.  But until the society changes and their mind set improves, nothing can be changed.

 

I started this topic, as the first article was telling facts about the number of women in the Parliament.  And I do sincerely believe, when a women works hard, and really wants, they can do it.  But, having said that, I don´t think the number indicates a discrimination aginst women, but shows how much women are into politics.  And by the way, may be half of the voters are women, why don´t they vote for a women?????

 

In Australia, until 1980´s a woman getting pregnant before 18 was something unacceptable.  The girls would be put in a monastry until due date, and then the baby will be given for adoption without asking for mother´s content.  And today: a woman can choose to be a mum by herself, and the society accepts it.

 

Finally, we don´t have to be equal, because, as i always we are not the same thing as man. but we have to cooperate and value the meaning of women, and value what ever they are, and they do.  this is I believe the only way we get the "equality".

 

By the way, did anybody notice that, no male member is contributing to this topic, and we women, as usual are fighting with each other.

 

118.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 12:09 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 

Turkey is a country to give the Women their rights long before any other country did.   

 

This is often posted here and is factually incorrect.  In fact, Turkey were MUCH LATER than than many countries both to grant women a vote and to allow them to stand for election.  I don´t know why Turkey always think this

 

http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/suffrage.htm

 

 

Quoting Merih

 

By the way, did anybody notice that, no male member is contributing to this topic, and we women, as usual are fighting with each other.

 

 Very true

119.       ciko
784 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 12:34 pm

i personally joined discussions about women rights before. i just dont want to repeat myself over and over. all arguements have been about women rights, kurdish rights, the fact turkish cant criticise Turkey bla bla, democracy we need new topics

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Very true

 

 

120.       Merih
933 posts
 13 Nov 2008 Thu 12:38 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Very true

 

 OOOOOOOPPPPPPSSSSSSS.......

 

I think they have to change the books in Turkey.. I feel like an idiot.. and yes you are right about Turkye not being one of the first, but still earlier than some developed countries...

 

Check this site too.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women´s_suffrage

the dates look a little bit different though

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