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Turkey ranks low in world gender equality index
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30.       karekin04
565 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:41 pm

Quoting Merih

 Well, I think this way.. then why can only a woman give birth?  It is obviously two persons commitment, but who carries the baby?  There must be a reason.

 

 

I am hoping alameda can clear this one up for you!

 

 

Quoting Merih

   Do you know what happened after 15 years together??

 

He said, I don´t feel like a man around you anymore... THE END

 

Well then he probably isn´t one. If being a good parent makes him feel less of a man, he doesn´t deserve to be called one....THE END

31.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:41 pm

 And if we didn´t have men....who would we worship?  Who would remind us that we need to take care of EVERYONE!!  You silly girl!!

Quoting femmeous

Quote: DK

No I know you didnt mean it the way I described.

 with todays technology we actually dont need anything from men

ah, what is a millions of sperm comparing to one and only precious egg?

 

 

32.       femmeous
2642 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:41 pm

 merih, i wouldnt want to be in a place of a woman you describe, who is a slave, not a lady. working and at the same time wiping butts of kids and a husband (excuse my language) is not a life. i donno, probably only tough women can deal it in the patriarchal societies.

just wonder why didnt your mother educate you to be free? why didnt she tell you to respect yourself, to have a dignity?

why that working lady cant have a luxury of having a maid? why not? why it is ok for a man to have a luxury to come home and relax and why a woman cant have that too?

 

 

Quoting Merih

Well, I agree that women should be if possible higher educated.. but the thing is, the women loose the purpose of working easily.  Most of the women are very ambitious to be successful. (By the way i am basically talking about the poor ranking countries).  They want to do what men do and the family´s are getting ruined at the end.. A female CEO of a company most of the times forget that she is a wife and a mum at the same time.  And she doesn´t and SHOULDN´t have the luxury to leave everything to a maid, or a grandmother.  She is the vital part of a child and a marriage life, and she has to be there to wake up the child, or give breakfast, or help with a homework.  She needs to give attention to her husband.

 

The man is lucky in this sense, as the nature of life is like that.  There is a work share for everyone.  Though I guess it is okay, if you can carry out your responsibilities, and do something on the top, without letting off your main responsibilities (but isn´t it too much).

 

May be some of the ladies will get angry with me.  But to tell the truth, though the said countries have the top rankings, the very same countries suffer lack of family bonds, loneliness, suicides, etc... Because the scoiety becomes selfish.. money becomes everything.. everybody pays for themselves.. when you are 18, you are out of the house, or you pay rent..  You are in trouble, sorry, take care of yourself.

 

Final word: Did you know that a mum´s cuddle is almost affective as a painkiller?

 

 

33.       Merih
933 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:42 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 No.

 

Yes, but as I said, I merely tried to stress the way you put your argument. I didnt even feel like reading more of your argument after reading ´women should do this, that´.

 

As for my personal idea: I would choose the road in between, and I would temporarily quit my job if I were to give birth untill ´they´ are a few years old. But that is just a personal choice. I just dont agree with your opinion that a woman is the vital part of a marriage and family life, and the fact that ´the man didnt feel like a man anymore´, maybe has to do with ´how society sees what a man should be´.

 

 There is no shortcut to experience.. and people do understand things when they have enough knowledge and experience.

 

I would say, wait until you see your baby, if you decide to have one day, and tell me that it is easy to go back to work after 3 months..  But believe, the dad will go back the next day.

34.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:44 pm

 

Quoting karekin04

 

 

 

 

Well then he probably isn´t one. If being a good parent makes him feel less of a man, he doesn´t deserve to be called one....THE END

 

{#lang_emotions_flowers}

35.       Merih
933 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:48 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 merih, i wouldnt want to be in a place of a woman you describe, who is a slave, not a lady. working and at the same time wiping butts of kids and a husband (excuse my language) is not a life. i donno, probably only tough women can deal it in the patriarchal societies.

just wonder why didnt your mother educate you to be free? why didnt she tell you to respect yourself, to have a dignity?

why that working lady cant have a luxury of having a maid? why not? why it is ok for a man to have a luxury to come home and relax and why a woman cant have that too?

 

 That is where you people go wrong about equality.

 

I know how to be free, and I know the benefits and consequences of being free.  For your information I had maids for a couple of years... This is NOT A LUXURY... do you know how rewarding it is to see your baby growing up, saying the first words to you.. walking her first steps holding your hand, NOT A MAID´S.

 

And again for your information, in Turkey, most of the working, educated women are doing what you have described as a slave... 

36.       femmeous
2642 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:50 pm

 wheres australia? i wanna go there. thats super. it must be so ideally. why should i work while having a little baby? no way!

let your husband now work for both of you.

Quoting Merih

 This is my opinion.. this is what I understand from equality..  And believe me 99% of women in the east doesn´t think like me.  You can not imagine how much pressure I have because I stopped working.. because I have more than 1 kid..

 

I think in developing countries like Turkey, woman want to be more effective in life, they want to work, compete, and give days and nights to their jobs.  At least in Australia, it is vice versa.. women work, until they have babies, stop working for a couple of years to care for the baby, then go back to work.  And believe me I did not see (of course I am talking about the educated ones) any women complaining that she is looking after the baby while the husband is working, because the fact is they want to enjoy the baby.

 

 

37.       Merih
933 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:50 pm

 

Quoting karekin04

Quoting Merih

 Well, I think this way.. then why can only a woman give birth?  It is obviously two persons commitment, but who carries the baby?  There must be a reason.

 

 

I am hoping alameda can clear this one up for you!

 

 

 

Well then he probably isn´t one. If being a good parent makes him feel less of a man, he doesn´t deserve to be called one....THE END

 

You would have loved him, if he didn´t say the last words, wouldn´t you?

 

 

 

38.       Merih
933 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:50 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 And if we didn´t have men....who would we worship?  Who would remind us that we need to take care of EVERYONE!!  You silly girl!!

 

 

 

 And more importantly who would worship us??

39.       karekin04
565 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:51 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 

I would say, wait until you see your baby, if you decide to have one day, and tell me that it is easy to go back to work after 3 months..  But believe, the dad will go back the next day.

 

Well I am a mother. A "single mother"{#lang_emotions_scared} OMG! How will my poor son ever learn... compassion, dignity.... how to love.... how to know what to do when he is sick??? How will he ever turn in to a fine tuned man that knows his place a king of his domain, what with having this working mother who has neglected all of those vital emotions to help him grow. BLAST being a working mother!!{#lang_emotions_rant}

40.       Merih
933 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 08:51 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 wheres australia? i wanna go there. thats super. it must be so ideally. why should i work while having a little baby? no way!

let your husband now work for both of you.

 

 why not????

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