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Turkish intellectuals issue apology to Armenians
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120.       femmeous
2642 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 06:01 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

No, I don´t excuse you. The problem is you have no problem excusing yourself even after blatantly insulting people. Don´t despair though, mods seem to excuse you too on everyone´s behalf.

 

 if there was a contest on insulting you would get the first prize lol

just wondering how the mods ignore your numerous personal attacks i see a thick turkish conspiracy here.

121.       femmeous
2642 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 06:02 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

No, I don´t excuse you.

 

 this one is soooo funny lol

122.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 06:04 pm

Caramba, carambita!

123.       femmeous
2642 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 06:08 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Caramba, carambita!

 

 awwwwwww! i love you too, canim {#lang_emotions_owned}

124.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:01 am

 

Quoting vineyards

 

This is a debate between believers not thinkers. On one side, there are those who assume millions of Armenians were butchered overnight and on the other there are those who believe hundreds of Turks and Azeris were slaughtered by Armenians. I don´t trust or believe either thesis. I just know some lives were lost and I am willing to express my sorrow for each and every innocent victim regardless what ethnicity they were. Those biased, colored thinker-believers will keep talking about things which they perceive as iron-clad truth about a period which is highly speculative.

 

 

 

 

 

You are a conservative person Vineyard. You are a status quo protector. Neither I was expecting you to support this personal apology petition nor I was expecting you to support the idea of people talking about it because it would be against the current status quo which was  created by the people who, in fact, repeatedly lied to all Turkish people

There would be no talking, no arguing ALMOST about anything if people thought the same way as you do..

Anyway, going back to the subject

Here is Alpay Sahin´s column (in zaman) about why he has signed it:

 

About half of the nearly 1.5 million Ottoman Armenians who were subjected to forced deportation lost their lives on the way, either through killings by members of the security forces and bandits, or as a result of epidemics and hunger. Some of them survived the ordeal through protection by Turks and Muslims and conversion to Islam. Others were able to eventually flee to the West, mainly to France and the United States, where most of the Armenian diaspora lives today. There remain only about 70,000 Armenian citizens of the Republic of Turkey today living almost entirely in Istanbul. Those Armenians who served in the Ottoman army upon their return from the war found that their families and communities had all disappeared and that their possessions had been confiscated.

 

Armenian nationalists maintain that the decision of the Committee of Union and Progress rulers to deport the Ottoman Armenians was part of a plan aimed at their total annihilation. This argument has never been proven, being disputed even by distinguished non-Turkish Ottoman historians. The fact, however, that the Ottoman government collectively and inhumanly punished its Armenian citizens by deportation in retaliation for the crimes of Armenian nationalist rebels who collaborated with the enemy is beyond dispute. ..

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazarDetay.do?haberno=161890

 

 

 

125.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:04 am

Oha!!!

http://www.ozurdiliyoruz.com/

Account suspended

Account for domain www.ozurdiliyoruz.com has been suspended

126.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:09 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

You are a conservative person Vineyard. You are a status quo protector. Neither I was expecting you to support this personal apology petition nor I was expecting you to support the idea of people talking about it because it would be against the current status quo which was  created by the people who, in fact, repeatedly lied to all Turkish people

There would be no talking, no arguing ALMOST about anything if people thought the same way as you do..

Anyway, going back to the subject

 

Well you needn´t go back to the subject, you have already lost me there...

127.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:15 am

Mods and admins:

Personal attacks and insults keep flying in the air. In the absence of proper moderation, you shouldn´t object to those defending themselves the way dictated by their so-called discussion counterparts...

 

I am also tired of the incompatible and arbitrary moderation going on here....

Are we supposed to do all the work ourselves?

128.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:24 am

 

Quoting vineyards

Quoting thehandsom

You are a conservative person Vineyard. You are a status quo protector. Neither I was expecting you to support this personal apology petition nor I was expecting you to support the idea of people talking about it because it would be against the current status quo which was  created by the people who, in fact, repeatedly lied to all Turkish people

There would be no talking, no arguing ALMOST about anything if people thought the same way as you do..

Anyway, going back to the subject

 

Well you needn´t go back to the subject, you have already lost me there...

 

I sensed that , there was a belittling  in your post by trying to put a moral barrier between  believers and thinkers. (Or it might be purely my misunderstanding) 

As a person who talks about this subject openly, I took  the understanding that you think I am a believer..

And, to be honest, in this thread or in similar threads, nobody came with the argument that armenians got killed in millions over a night..There is no blind armenian nationalist around as far as I know.. 

Anyway I would leave it here..

129.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 01:30 am

If my tone in that post amounts to belittling how will we explain yours? Labeling? Name calling? You tell me what...

 

May I call you a bigot if we are in the open market?

 

130.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:19 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Oha!!!

http://www.ozurdiliyoruz.com/

Account suspended

Account for domain www.ozurdiliyoruz.com has been suspended

Evet Oha!! yani. I at first thought of those who called themselves "aydýn" listed in that websites as "yalaka"s and then as cowards when the name listing disappeared from the site. Now it appears that they couldn´t stand behind their initiatives. Yuh onlarýn hepsine...

 

 

Note: Some of the names listed indicated there was something fishy there. Ismail Erez who was killed by Armenian terrorists in Paris was also listed. Looks like somebody was having fun including his name in the list. Also some of the names included in that list denied their support for that initiative. I also wondered if this was an initiative backed by Armenian diaspora.

 

 

 

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