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130.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 09:19 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Oha!!!

http://www.ozurdiliyoruz.com/

Account suspended

Account for domain www.ozurdiliyoruz.com has been suspended

Evet Oha!! yani. I at first thought of those who called themselves "aydýn" listed in that websites as "yalaka"s and then as cowards when the name listing disappeared from the site. Now it appears that they couldn´t stand behind their initiatives. Yuh onlarýn hepsine...

 

 

Note: Some of the names listed indicated there was something fishy there. Ismail Erez who was killed by Armenian terrorists in Paris was also listed. Looks like somebody was having fun including his name in the list. Also some of the names included in that list denied their support for that initiative. I also wondered if this was an initiative backed by Armenian diaspora.

 

 

 

131.       lady in red
6947 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 10:47 am

 

Quoting vineyards

Mods and admins:

Personal attacks and insults keep flying in the air. In the absence of proper moderation, you shouldn´t object to those defending themselves the way dictated by their so-called discussion counterparts...

 

I am also tired of the incompatible and arbitrary moderation going on here....

Are we supposed to do all the work ourselves?

 

It is possible that moderation is sometimes ´incompatible´.  Unless there is an admin or moderator constantly on line following every contentious thread (which often starts quite innocently so you can’t always tell what to keep an eye on from the thread title) it is not possible to pick up on everything and things can be missed - so one comment might be deleted and another left in.  As for ´arbitrary´ - using your own discretion to decide when and where to intervene can actually be quite difficult - sorry if we´re not perfect at it.

 

I have a life outside Turkish Class , as does everyone else, and can’t be here 24/7 and when I do sign in it sometimes takes me a long time to read through the many pages that have appeared in a very short time. If you are particularly bothered about something then send one of us (or all of us) a pm that can be seen on signing in, directing us to the ‘trouble spot’.

 
With regard to this particular thread, I presume you are referring to insults flying between femmeous and yourself.  Are you asking for all your(plural) posts containing perceived insults to be removed or do you want a ‘warning’ to both of you?


We are trying to follow a policy of non-interference as long as insults don´t go too far, meaning that ´mild´ insults should not result in our intervention... after all we are dealing with adults and they should be able to handle ´mild´ insults. Unless there is a complaint, people should have some space to resolve issues in their own way before a mod leaps in and starts deleting.

 

Personally I think we seem to be damned if we do and damned if we don’t.


And finally, as part of Forum Rule 9 says – ‘If someone posts an insulting comment towards you, do not reply to it, it will only start a flame-war’ - although I’m really not sure of the point of this – because no-one takes a blind bit of notice.

132.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 11:59 am

I see it is acceptable to let people get slightly insulted. We have to live with the fact that the site is slightly moderated despite the number of mods and number of times they read each post. This is a go ahead message for tens of people to begin cursing one another. Our only protection against flame is not getting involved in it. We must convert ourselves into senseless machiness with no psychology, no emotional reaction. Just let it go!

 

If we were a bunch of selfless Indian fakirs this scheme might work but we are regular people talking about highly speculative matters.

 

If I called you a useless passivist who will not move a finger amid the chaotic fighting that goes around her, this would be no different from thehandsom´s remarks about me. I could go on and say out of anger, you and people of your sort are responsible for all the disorder, gutter fight and swearing here.

 

Well, don´t take me wrong, I am not actually making above statement. Just showing you how flame wars begin.

 

 

133.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 12:54 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 This is a go ahead message for tens of people to begin cursing one another. Our only protection against flame is not getting involved in it. We must convert ourselves into senseless machiness with no psychology, no emotional reaction. Just let it go!

 

Tens of people?

 

But there are only four of you who regularly get involved in such arguments anyway.  I would have thought that you would have run out of insults to eachother by now

134.       lady in red
6947 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:24 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

I see it is acceptable to let people get slightly insulted. We have to live with the fact that the site is slightly moderated despite the number of mods and number of times they read each post. This is a go ahead message for tens of people to begin cursing one another. Our only protection against flame is not getting involved in it. We must convert ourselves into senseless machiness with no psychology, no emotional reaction. Just let it go!

 

If we were a bunch of selfless Indian fakirs this scheme might work but we are regular people talking about highly speculative matters.

 

If I called you a useless passivist who will not move a finger amid the chaotic fighting that goes around her, this would be no different from thehandsom´s remarks about me. I could go on and say out of anger, you and people of your sort are responsible for all the disorder, gutter fight and swearing here.

 

Well, don´t take me wrong, I am not actually making above statement. Just showing you how flame wars begin.

 

Yes, you do have to live with the fact that the sight is ´slightly´ moderated due to the fact that moderating/admin is not a career.  What a stupid comment that ´tens of thousand´ of people will start cursing each other!

 

I see it was thehandsom that upset you this time and not femmeous - yet you seemed to be exchanging ´pleasantries´ with her as far as I could see.  I didn´t see any curses from thehandsom - maybe you could explain to me how he cursed you?

 

Please feel free to call me a useless pacifist any time you want.  If you did it certainly wouldn´t bother me because I don´t know you and you don´t know me and therefore any opinion you might have of me is of no interest or worry to me whatsoever.

135.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:30 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

  Note: Some of the names listed indicated there was something fishy there. Ismail Erez who was killed by Armenian terrorists in Paris was also listed. Looks like somebody was having fun including his name in the list. Also some of the names included in that list denied their support for that initiative. I also wondered if this was an initiative backed by Armenian diaspora.

 

Well I guess, you can go and put the name of ´Talat pasha´(interior minister in 1915) into the list..Or ´Devlet Bahceli´ (leader of Turkish Nationalist Party)

I dont think it matters that much.

...

Anyway..

Even Turkey comes to terms with its history because of this campain, there is no way of repairing what happened in 1915.
The important thing is that this mentality should not attempt to do the similir things in these soils.

This ´coming with the terms´ never happened in Turkey..If it did we would have been living in much better country. And may be there would be less deaths, less  bloodshed, less coup detats, less ergenekon, less jitem etc. And we would still have Hrant Dink.
But this campain has also showed that the word ´armenian´ is still a word which makes people heart beat fast.


There are two kind of people who are opposing this campain according to Murat Belge:
One group is the people whom will start to shout and start stamping, as soon as you open this subject. They are the ones who were brought up as ´nationalists Turkish citizens´ and they are always ready to scream as ´damn this and that´ as soon as ´the chief of chorous´ nods
The other group is know what they are doing exactly..

They are trying to protect their deeds. They are trying to protect their houses and lands..

The real screamers are those..

They are the ones who says ´we would do it again if necessary´. They are the ones who accepts willingy the propaganda of ´if we do accept, they will ask for this and that´.


And also he is pointing out how these things are seen from abroad:
Do you think foreigners, who are watching all these, are adoring Turkish people´s high level humanity? are they thinking ´a nation who is screaming with those words, threatening others with those words in 2008, could not have killed Armenians in 1915?´ or they are thinking that ´these people can do anything´. Who do you think is bringing more respect to Turkey?  these screaming people  or despite everything, the existance of a handful of people who say ´yes, it happened, and it was very bad´?

 

 

 

136.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:31 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

Yes, you do have to live with the fact that the sight is ´slightly´ moderated due to the fact that moderating/admin is not a career.  

 

 Are you serious?

All that campaigning I did to get you elected (not to mention that back-hander you promised me with your pay rise) was all a lie?!

 

Hehehe anyway, most of our mods don´t need money....power is their reward

137.       lady in red
6947 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:34 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Are you serious?

All that campaigning I did to get you elected (not to mention that back-hander you promised me with your pay rise) was all a lie?!

 

Hehehe anyway, most of our mods don´t need money....power is their reward

 

 Don´t call me a liar please - it´s very lonely at the top  {#lang_emotions_cry}

138.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 02:37 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 Don´t call me a liar please - it´s very lonely at the top  {#lang_emotions_cry}

 

 Cunning schemer better?

139.       femmeous
2642 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 03:43 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Are you serious?

All that campaigning I did to get you elected (not to mention that back-hander you promised me with your pay rise) was all a lie?!

 

Hehehe anyway, most of our mods don´t need money....power is their reward

 

 thats an absolute lie, you are forcing me to call you a heartless liar!

and if its not me stirring the pot (by bribing cat and other admins) bedy in bed would not be there where now she is. :S

140.       femmeous
2642 posts
 23 Dec 2008 Tue 03:47 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

I see it was thehandsom that upset you this time and not femmeous - yet you seemed to be exchanging ´pleasantries´ with her as far as I could see.  I didn´t see any curses from thehandsom - maybe you could explain to me how he cursed you?

 

 excuse me, i never go below the so called belly button, i never comment on your family (husbands, wives, children, maybe sometimes uncles or aunts but they are hardly a family).

 

a nice word "pleasantries" lol

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