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120.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 07:39 am

 

Quoting scalpel

Handsom, you are trying to get rid of mosquitoes instead of drying the swamp.

The primary problem of the Kurds is to eliminate the feudal system in which they have been living their lives for thousands years. As some here know they still live in tribes that are called aþiret where one chief (aþiret reisi) resides with absolute authority over the tribe,often owning most of the land the aþiret live on. Only those who somehow moved the other parts of the country may have freedom and their own lands to operate. Unless the feudal system in the region eliminated, no problem will be solved. Do you think being able t0 use the letters q, w, x or having the road signs in kurdish makes sense to a people who are starving from hunger and demanding for food? Didn´t you see on TV the poor in Diyarbakýr crushing each other to reach the lorry on which the municipality gave bread for free? Do you think those 3 letters or any other stupid idea will fill their empty stomachs? An aþiret reisi driving Ferrari may need the road signs in Kurdish, but a poor maraba even with no donkey to ride never needs them. The key of the problem is the land reform.If you really want democracy for Kurds, you must start with land reform.The rest of the ideas are just a pile of rubbish.    

 

Good points scalpel.  You say people are starving but when you take a closer look at the number of average children in a family (one husband and more than one wife is not something uncommon), isn´t it a paradox? How can they have so many children if they are starving?



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121.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 11:51 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Good points scalpel.  You say people are starving but when you take a closer look at the number of average childs in a family (one husband and more than one wife usually), isn´t it a dilemna? How can they have so many children if they are starving?

 

This problem is typical in poor families around the world. Probably because of the lack of money for contraception and no sexual education. It´s a vicious circle

122.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 11:53 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

This problem is typical in poor families around the world. Probably because of the lack of money for contraception and no sexual education. It´s a vicious circle

 

Poor families and and 10 to 15 children with 2 to 5 wives? Is it typical everywhere?

123.       scalpel
1472 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 01:50 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Good points scalpel.  You say people are starving but when you take a closer look at the number of average children in a family (one husband and more than one wife is not something uncommon), isn´t it a paradox? How can they have so many children if they are starving?

 

 Paradoxes are everywhere yet we tend to ignore them.The answer to your question is statistics.It is a well-known also curious fact that the poor have more children than wealthy.Just because most of the famillies in south-west Anatolia have many children doesn´t mean they are not starving.You can find many sad stories here and there about it.They will tell you a lot about the paradox.

124.       scalpel
1472 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 03:26 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well

I will keep telling you to read..If you have read, you would have seen that it has been long Ocalan decided NOT to demand for a pure homeland..

Apo or PKK are not asking for a separate country (that has been for a long time actually).

They want to live with Turks in the existing borders!!

So your argument is not valid!!

But, why do you think Ocalan is that popular among the Kurds?

Do you really think that "one morning", we suddenly decided that ´ah we were wrong to say that there are no kurds. Actually there are kurds and there is a language called Kurdish as well´?  

 

Since PKK is a socialist organisation mainly based on marxist theory,since Kurdish people are religious Apo is not so popular among Kurds. By saying popular if you mean he is a well-known figure, he is popular among Turks also.Find below some of the municipality elections statistics  2009:

Diyarbakýr - DTP 65.6% - AKP 31.3%

Þanlýurfa - SP 44% -AKP 39.3% - DTP 10.5%

Þýrnak -DTP 53.7% - AKP 42.6%

Hakkari - DTP 80.2% - AKP 15.1%

Mardin - AKP 45% - DTP 36.3%

Batman DTP 59.7% - AKP36.7%

and so on

Why all the Kurds didn´t vote for DTP? Any idea? The other thing is that at least 1/3 of the votes for DTP was just because of fear.PKK doesn´t ever allow people to vote freely and forces people to support DTP.Didn´t you know that?

 

125.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 03:50 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Since PKK is a socialist organisation mainly based on marxist theory,since Kurdish people are religious Apo is not so popular among Kurds. By saying popular if you mean he is a well-known figure, he is popular among Turks also.Find below some of the municipality elections statistics  2009:

Diyarbakýr - DTP 65.6% - AKP 31.3%

Þanlýurfa - SP 44% -AKP 39.3% - DTP 10.5%

Þýrnak -DTP 53.7% - AKP 42.6%

Hakkari - DTP 80.2% - AKP 15.1%

Mardin - AKP 45% - DTP 36.3%

Batman DTP 59.7% - AKP36.7%

and so on

Why all the Kurds didn´t vote for DTP? Any idea? The other thing is that at least 1/3 of the votes for DTP was just because of fear.PKK doesn´t ever allow people to vote freely and forces people to support DTP.Didn´t you know that?

 

They are the votes of religious order (tarikat oylarý). If you put them aside, they didn´t vote for any other Turkish party either (MHP,CHP etc).

 

126.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 03:54 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 Paradoxes are everywhere yet we tend to ignore them.The answer to your question is statistics.It is a well-known also curious fact that the poor have more children than wealthy.Just because most of the famillies in south-west Anatolia have many children doesn´t mean they are not starving.You can find many sad stories here and there about it.They will tell you a lot about the paradox.

What is the average in south-west and what is it in south-east? What is the average number of wives in south-west and what is it in south-east? I guess there should be huge a difference.

 

And can it be explained only by saying the poor have more children?

 

127.       scalpel
1472 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 03:56 pm

An additional information: Before the election Kurds fanatically supporting PKK  declared that the vote would serve as a kind of referendum on federation and they used all the possible tactics not regarding if it is an antidemocratic attitude to increase the vots for DTP. And the result didn´t at all make them happy.

128.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 04:28 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Poor families and and 10 to 15 children with 2 to 5 wives? Is it typical everywhere?

 

Religion accounts for the number of wives, the number of children is justified by what I said earlier. 10-15 children with 2-5 wives makes almost the same percentage as 5-7 children with one wife

129.       scalpel
1472 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 04:38 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

They are the votes of religious order (tarikat oylarý). If you put them aside, they didn´t vote for any other Turkish party either (MHP,CHP etc).

 

 

 If you reread my post a bit more carefully than you did first time,you will find the answer.I said Kurdish people are religious.Do you think MHP and CHP are good addresses for religious votes to go? Why would I put the religious votes aside when the main struggle now is between religious Kurds and PKK? I think you are confusing things.

130.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 04:51 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 If you reread my post a bit more carefully than you did first time,you will find the answer.I said Kurdish people are religious.Do you think MHP and CHP are good addresses for religious votes to go? No I don´t.  I was only expanding your statement further for other readers.Why would I put the religious votes aside when the main struggle now is between religious Kurds and PKK? I think you are confusing things.

 

 

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