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90.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 10:50 pm

Moslem League is not possible...For no two Moslems can ever agree on anything....

I support EURABIA{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}



Edited (8/15/2010) by AlphaF

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91.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 12:23 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 no two Moslems can ever agree on anything....

 

 

Oi! this saying is about Poles. and so is this one "give me two Poles and there will be three opinions" lol

92.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 01:30 am

 I think you did not carefully read what i wrote or you replied what is on your mind automatically. Nowhere in Quran it says all the previous scriptures deformed or vice-versa. Because Quran is there talking about the scriptures/revelations which were revealed by God Wink. And It says Quran is superseding, authenticating/confirming them. In other words Quran is replacing the Injeel and the Tawrat since the message is the same they are one book of guidance not the NT or OT. Simply Bible is not the Injeel and Tawrat because of this muslims think Bible is deformed(me as well in my opinion people mixed the original Revelations with their history and legends). Quran calls itself detailings of God´s writ for humankind. That is why I said Quran is enough for muslims as a guide. 

Quoting lemon

 

 

A very weak as well as illogic justification for the Almighty who cant keep His Books in safe! {#emotions_dlg.suspicious}

 

 

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93.       lemon
1374 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 09:24 am

 

Quoting armegon

 I think you did not carefully read what i wrote or you replied what is on your mind automatically. Nowhere in Quran it says all the previous scriptures deformed or vice-versa. Because Quran is there talking about the scriptures/revelations which were revealed by God Wink. And It says Quran is superseding, authenticating/confirming them. In other words Quran is replacing the Injeel and the Tawrat since the message is the same they are one book of guidance not the NT or OT. Simply Bible is not the Injeel and Tawrat because of this muslims think Bible is deformed(me as well in my opinion people mixed the original Revelations with their history and legends). Quran calls itself detailings of God´s writ for humankind. That is why I said Quran is enough for muslims as a guide. 

I replied to your post if you see that. You are right, it is automatic, because all muslims say this (although then you say it doesnt say so in Qoran).

However, Armegon, you are saying the same things but in a bit different words.

So, why would God replace His Books with another Book? Why does He keep changing His mind like a pregnant woman (sorry DD)?

People mixed orginal messages and the Almighty Author couldnt save His original copy? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

Sometimes people do attempt to change some texts like Roman Catholic adding and taking away as they please to fit in their occultic practises. But originals are always there and many others use them, read them, check their authentacy, compare to other texts.

Theres no guidance in Bible, theres salvation, Armegon, salvation. No one can reach the Heaven through his/her good deeds, if he/she did then he/she is god. And this is impossible.

 

94.       lady in red
6947 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 10:03 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Oi! this saying is about Poles. and so is this one "give me two Poles and there will be three opinions" lol

 

Is this where we get the English expression ´poles apart´?? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}   {#emotions_dlg.laugh_at}

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95.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 03:00 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

Is this where we get the English expression ´poles apart´?? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}   {#emotions_dlg.laugh_at}

 

lol I should think so lol

96.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 04:06 pm

However, Armegon, you are saying the same things but in a bit different words.

So, why would God replace His Books with another Book? Why does He keep changing His mind like a pregnant woman (sorry DD)?

People mixed orginal messages and the Almighty Author couldnt save His original copy? 

You are thinking God as a human and talking about His mind, in my opinion God is away from all these.  I did not answer that question because it is like asking “Why circle is circular?” or “Why did God not send Jesus for salvation from the beginning?” or “ Why did not God guide humankind to invent TV at darkages?” etc

 Quran says;

 

5:3 “This Day, I have perfected your Law for you, completed My favor upon you, and chosen for you AlIslam as the System of Life. If anyone is forced by dire necessity (to consume the Forbidden), with no intention of transgression, God is indeed Forgiving, Merciful.

 

Quran confirms the Tawrat and the Injeel and all other previous scriptures by restating them.  That is why it contains the words of Isa, Moses,  Abraham and the Patriarchs as well as other prophets. But this does not mean those scriptures have not been deformed, rather, it means some of them may still have a measure of truth in them, even though many parts of them have been altered and fabricated. 

 

Theres no guidance in Bible, theres salvation, Armegon, salvation. No one can reach the Heaven through his/her good deeds, if he/she did then he/she is god. And this is impossible.

This is one of the reason that muslims think the Jesus depicted in Bible is totally different than the İsa depicted in Quran.  Because muslims believe in Divine Justice.  The concept of Chrisitian salvation is based on the concept of pleasing or acknowledging God through faith only thus hope to have sins forgiven by God and to be rewarded by paradise. But Quran totally rejects this and says;

99:6-8 “On that Day will all people come forth as separate entities, to be shown their deeds.
[The guilty will stand apart from the innocent. 36:59] Then whoever has done an atom´s
weight of good, will see it. And whoever has done an atom´s weight of evil, will see it.

Actually Quran does not present a concept of salvation but rather concept of compensation maybe we can say. In Quran people are invited to “Tauba” when they have done deeds that had harmed humanity or themselves; at first they have to understand what they had done wrong and then have to take action by not adopting that path again. And of course Quran is very clear, God cannot be offended or harmed.So any deed will only be judged on its beneficence towards humanity, or how it harms and corrupts your own personality. 

God hates all type unions that is why He will send destructions as soon as the world will unite under the false name for the sake of peace and security.

49:13O Mankind! Indeed, We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes so that you might (affectionately) come to know one another. Surely, the most honored among you, in the Sight of God, is the one who is best in conduct. Indeed, God is Knower, Aware.

 

 

 

 



Edited (8/16/2010) by armegon
Edited (8/16/2010) by armegon

97.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 06:40 pm

Whenever I hear Holy Ghost it makes me think of this religion-skit by Eddie Izzard

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRjWDW3JSg

 

(the God, Jesus, Holy Ghost part comes at about 4:45, but the rest is funny too!)

98.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 06:45 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes} Hello! {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

God hates when people unite under their names/orgs like in case of Babel. That is how He caused many languages.

Europeans are uniting into EU.

Muslims into Muslim League. These all one day will have a need to unite into one global nation with one global economy and monetray unit. I dont know but something will cause this. And as soon as this happens consider it the End. {#emotions_dlg.bye}

 

I don´t think the language thing of Babel was a punishment for the union. I think it was a punishment because they wanted to reach God and the heavens through a tower, instead of just reaching it through being good people. If they were the "Babel save the children and feed them group" we would all still be speaking the same language. (Not that I really believe that, but in line with the story.)

 

Anyway, I do think we should all unite in one big orgy to make God happy... or is that not what you were saying I don´t get why most people want everything to end so badly... What´s wrong with the life you (not you personally, you in general) have right now, that all you can do is live for the end?

99.       Capoeira
575 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 10:05 pm

I´ve been living in Istanbul for three years. This summer the trend for young women is shorts and tank tops. Being a native of California it is normal to see women in shorts, and short shorts too. But, living in Istanbul has made it surprising and pleasant at the same time to see it sooooo widespread now. Also skirts and long flowing summer dresses that tie around the neck but show shoulders and the back are also very much in...They say this is the hottest summer within the last 20 years...Maybe, this has something to do with it. But, I think that things are changing around here for sure. I have seen younger women going in extremes. One extreem is that very young girls are completely covered and the other extreem is of course the short mini skirts and shorts that have become common place everywhere. It´s interesting to live in an ever changing city. There´s never a dull moment here. Maybe that why I haven´t left yet...that and i´m still trying to speak Turkish fluently!

100.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 10:54 pm

 

Quoting Capoeira

I´ve been living in Istanbul for three years. This summer the trend for young women is shorts and tank tops. Being a native of California it is normal to see women in shorts, and short shorts too. But, living in Istanbul has made it surprising and pleasant at the same time to see it sooooo widespread now. Also skirts and long flowing summer dresses that tie around the neck but show shoulders and the back are also very much in...They say this is the hottest summer within the last 20 years...Maybe, this has something to do with it. But, I think that things are changing around here for sure. I have seen younger women going in extremes. One extreem is that very young girls are completely covered and the other extreem is of course the short mini skirts and shorts that have become common place everywhere. It´s interesting to live in an ever changing city. There´s never a dull moment here. Maybe that why I haven´t left yet...that and i´m still trying to speak Turkish fluently!

 

Welcome back Capoeira...you seemed to have shown up just when this thread needed a voice of reason.

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