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70.       mylo
856 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:35 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I guess if you want to make your profit off the religion that already has existed for centuries, the easiest way is to call yourself the upgrade. What Mohamet did was no different from what Henry VIII or Joseph Smith jr did. Instead of coming up with something original, they just took whatever was convenient and showed it in a new light knowing that most people buy whatever they hear without reasoning.

I think women are expected to cover their hair in Judaism because of the times when the book was written - as it is no magical text able to predict fashion and technology for centuries ahead, it took for granted that the way things were was the natural way. This also explains why the big three religions are so sexist, backward and similar.

Mohhamed and Jesus were the same as Henry the 8th? Is what you´re saying?

 

71.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:37 am

It can be seen like that from the eyes of an atheist. But for the ones who believe in a Creator, the answer is simple because God´s message was always the same from the beginning and people love to corrupt it, it is valid for all religions not only Abrahamic ones, God says He sent messengers to all nations, so not much surprising to see similiraties in world religions.Wink

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

 

72.       mylo
856 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:39 am

I agree

73.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:51 am

 

Quoting armegon

It can be seen like that from the eyes of an atheist. But for the ones who believe in a Creator, the answer is simple because God´s message was always the same from the beginning and people love to corrupt it, it is valid for all religions not only Abrahamic ones, God says He sent messengers to all nations, so not much surprising to see similiraties in world religions.Wink

 

 

I know, that´s why I feel a great relief being an atheist that I do not have to choose which religion is true after all and who the false prophet was...

 

74.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 10:21 am

 

Quoting armegon

It can be seen like that from the eyes of an atheist. But for the ones who believe in a Creator, the answer is simple because God´s message was always the same from the beginning and people love to corrupt it, it is valid for all religions not only Abrahamic ones, God says He sent messengers to all nations, so not much surprising to see similiraties in world religions.Wink

 

 

It is amazing when you study all the major religions and see the similarity in all of them. The heart of all major religions say the same thing. It´s the embellishments that change.

If one looks at the earlier Gilgamesh Epic and Genesis, it´s interesting how similar they are.

The collective consciousness of humanity seems to agree on the existance of a Higher Being. We get hung up on names, but there are many names to discribe this Being.

75.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 11:18 am

 

Quoting armegon

In Islam, Quran supersedes all other books. Means only Quran is enough according to muslims. So it is normal for your friend to think Jews believe in a deformed religion but not Jews themselves of course. I hope it is clear now. Btw I begin to think you are such a pouplar gal, you have too many friends.

 

My friend thought that Jews also believed that their religion was deformed, and this was strange to me. Oh, and I´m not THAT popular. Some of the friends I´ve talked about here are the same person

 

Quoting mylo

 

Yeah but Jews don´t eat pork!!??

I read the Koran and it says ´Women should display themselves modestly´ says nothing about a veil, just dress modestly or have I read it wrong?

 

 

That was my point Is Muslims want to be 100% different than Jews, they have to start eating pork. This is the quote I was referring to before: And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (Quran 24:30,31).

Wow... I changed bosoms into booby-area... Hm, anyway, I don´t know if this is a translation problem, or if it always says "draw their veils over their bosoms" in any laguage. My interpretation of this is that it is assumed that women were veils already, and that they should hide the cleavage. I didn´t think women actually showed the whole "package" back then

76.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 01:23 pm

{#emotions_dlg.lol}, I misunderstood your question as I thought you were asking for something else, anyway it was an extra info then. And of course women were wear wearing something to cover themselves mostly before, I do not think they were walking around naked as a jaybird ...

Quoting barba_mama

Wow... I changed bosoms into booby-area... Hm, anyway, I don´t know if this is a translation problem, or if it always says "draw their veils over their bosoms" in any laguage. My interpretation of this is that it is assumed that women were veils already, and that they should hide the cleavage. I didn´t think women actually showed the whole "package" back then

 

 



Edited (8/15/2010) by armegon [correcting jailbird into jaybird, i remembered it wrong and checked from dic. :)]

77.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 01:30 pm

Great!! Feeling the relief, that is what all people need. Basically it is not only all about choosing a religion or finding out which one is true, it is about the feeling the relief as you said. That is why conciousness of believing in a Higher Being is a great relief for many people, and I guess they think believing in a God is meant to be liberating for them not shackling and because of this people are researching the great Universe.Wink

Quoting Daydreamer

 

I know, that´s why I feel a great relief being an atheist that I do not have to choose which religion is true after all and who the false prophet was...

 

 

 



Edited (8/15/2010) by armegon

78.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 02:02 pm

"draw their veils over their bosoms"

KNOW-ALL

 

The word used in the Arabic text is "himar", which means "cover" in the most general sense; not veil.....though it may be argued that a veil is also a kind of cover, himar is closer to "table cloth" than it is to veil.

79.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 02:06 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

"draw their veils over their bosoms"

KNOW-ALL

 

The word used in the Arabic text is "himar", which means "cover" in the most general sense; not veil.....though it may be argued that a veil is also a kind of cover, himar is closer to "table cloth" than it is to veil.

 

Why do you have to say KNOW-ALL? It seems that everything I get from Google pushes your buttons in some way! In any case, I asked if it was a translation thing because I don´t know any Arabic besides habibi... You could have answered in a normal way, without any CAPS.

 

80.       lemon
1374 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 04:15 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Islam comes from Judaism anyway, so they can´t denounce everything that is a bit like Judaism. Otherwise Muslims would also have to start eating pork, not believe in one god, not believe in the stories of Abraham, Noah, and all that.

 

No, Islam doesnt come from Judaism, Christianity does! Although Islam claims to have the same prophets or even the same God it doesnt mean Islam is based on Judeo-Christianity.

I personally believe that Islam was made and created at the request of Roman Catholic Agency to use Arabs to get rid of real Christians in the Arab peninsula who didnt want to obey Rome. In the past all anti Rome Christians were murdered, Waldens, Cathars etc

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