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50.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 04:33 am

 Vineyards,

I realize this is an internal Turkish issue, and sentiments are very volitile around the issue. I just wish that it were not. It´s just a piece of fabric that has become a hot button issue.

A woman can´t even wear these styles like Audrey Hepburn, Jackie O these days without sparking controversy. As I have said in the past, there are many reasons to cover one´s head, religion is one of them, but there are others. I know women who wear head coverings when they have chemotherapy, or they don´t want the wind to mess up their hair, they are having a "bad hair day", they have sensitive ears and the breeze is annoying or maybe they just like the way it looks.  So what if they cover their heads?  Why make such a big deal about it?

On the other hand, can you imagine being in a situation where you were forced to expose your bare chest? Obviouslythere are a significant amount of women who feel overly exposed by having to go bare headed.

 

The other issues you mentioned are other things, more complicated and I don´t want to get into in this thread.

 

By the way, it was considered a status symbol in early days for a person to have the right to be covered.

Quoting vineyards

No, you can´t turn a donkey into a zebra just by painting stripes on it. Those people wearing veils, hijab and similar garments do this because they believe God orders them to severe visual contact with men other than their husbands, and close relatives...............Furthermore, we have never said, these people can´t wear what they want. It is their decision. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is just that we don´t need the urge to have empathy with people kissing their boy friends in public places wearing hijab. In Turkish there is a saying, "Bu ne perhiz, bu ne lahana turşusu." roughly meaning something like this: You say you are on a diet but what about those cookies?

 

 

Ah yes...those cookies.....one should always be discreet......

 

51.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 03:54 pm

The ones who wear scarves has the right to live under equal conditions with the ones who do not wear scarves. No one has the right to judge them. No one has the right to ban them from public rights, education rights and working rights. It is shameful to talk about their special lives.

The doctor issue is absolutely wrong. Such as my dentist is covered and she is a great dentist. You can see covered doctors in special hospitals and they are addicted to their Hipokrat promise. Uğur Mumcu says "we mustn´t have ideas without information"

Scarf is just a choice. They don´t represent anything. They just live their life. Hovewer, even if it was a symbol of a belief so what? Assume that there are budhists in Turkey, will we ban Budhists orange dresses just because they wear it due to a belief? Are we a society which is that much abnormal? Don´t they have the same rights as we have?

I am really sad to see people get blind when they talk about a group which they don´t like. Let me remind you that; if we do not defend peoples´ rights just because we do not agree with their ideas, we can not find anybody who defend us when our rights are getting destroyed.

 

 

 

 



Edited (8/10/2010) by oeince

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52.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 04:26 pm

I don´t have a problem with doctors with a scarf. It has nothing to do with her brain, which is the part she will use to cure me I do have one example which irritated me. My university also has a medical department. The university is known for practice-style education. So, we don´t just have exams and read books, we have hands on practice. In the business department, this means going to real businesses and writing business plans for them. In the medical education this means that the students, from the second year onwards, practice on eachother. For example, the listen to eachothers heart. The students who enroll in the university know this. When for an exam, the students had to undress the top of their body (the girls could keep their bra on), a girl with a headscarf complained about this. I don´t agrew with this complaint. She knew when she enrolled in the university that this was the style of education. A big fight (verbally and through letters and such) followed, but in the end she didn´t pass the course. I think the university was correct here. The girl said the university was forcing her to take of her scarf, and not respecting her religion. I say the university was using the same standards for every student, and not changing the rules of exams (which she already knew before she entered the university) because of one person.

I think people are allowed to express their religion with, for example, a headscarf. However, they can´t expect the world to change according to their wishes.

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53.       mervet
20 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 04:44 pm

http://tinypic.com/r/8ywbr6/4

 

I live in Turkey- istanbul, and dress like this. Some times, short dresses, skirts etc..

54.       vineyards
1954 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 10:43 pm

I sometimes walk around in my boxer at home. I also wear a pair of 3D glasses and look like a techno nerd. Did I mention? I speak five languages.

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55.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 11 Aug 2010 Wed 02:01 am

Hm, 3D glasses.... sexy!

56.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Aug 2010 Fri 02:00 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

The short summary, everything that gets effected by female hormones, should physically turn a hetero sexual male on (I´m not talking about personality here, just the body). Hair is something even young children have. Other parts of the body that do change after puberty, like the hips of a woman and other shapes, should be more sexually attractive.

Every part may count...there is no exception....

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57.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 13 Aug 2010 Fri 09:59 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

Every part may count...there is no exception....

 

There is a difference between sexual attraction (when your hormones start raging) and a different kind of attraction (more of the mind). If finger nails turn you on sexually, I would go see the doctor.



Edited (8/13/2010) by barba_mama

58.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Aug 2010 Fri 10:50 pm

 

Quoting oeince

The ones who wear scarves has the right to live under equal conditions with the ones who do not wear scarves. No one has the right to judge them. No one has the right to ban them from public rights, education rights and working rights. It is shameful to talk about their special lives.

The doctor issue is absolutely wrong. Such as my dentist is covered and she is a great dentist. You can see covered doctors in special hospitals and they are addicted to their Hipokrat promise. Uğur Mumcu says "we mustn´t have ideas without information"

Scarf is just a choice. They don´t represent anything. They just live their life. Hovewer, even if it was a symbol of a belief so what? Assume that there are budhists in Turkey, will we ban Budhists orange dresses just because they wear it due to a belief? Are we a society which is that much abnormal? Don´t they have the same rights as we have?

I am really sad to see people get blind when they talk about a group which they don´t like. Let me remind you that; if we do not defend peoples´ rights just because we do not agree with their ideas, we can not find anybody who defend us when our rights are getting destroyed.

 

 

 

 

Scarf, worn as declaration of a certain religious faith, is a personal choice; but so are the dentists..I could not care less if my lady dentist was totally nude, so long as I have the freedom to chose my own dentist.

Getting involved in a traffic accident with a scarved lady driver, and then ending up in a court resided by a scarved lady judge however, is a totally different ball game.

 

Can anyone see the difference ?

 

 

59.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Aug 2010 Fri 11:00 pm

Here is an interesting historical clue to the origins of "Turban", the type of headscarves some Moslem girls claim to signify their personalities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf

If some Moslem (?) idiots prefer to imitate Jewish traditions to prove their devotion to Islam...so be it.

60.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 13 Aug 2010 Fri 11:10 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

Here is an interesting historical clue to the origins of "Turban", the type of headscarves some Moslem girls claim to signify their personalities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf

If some Moslem (?) idiots prefer to imitate Jewish traditions to prove their devotion to Islam...so be it.

 

Islam comes from Judaism anyway, so they can´t denounce everything that is a bit like Judaism. Otherwise Muslims would also have to start eating pork, not believe in one god, not believe in the stories of Abraham, Noah, and all that.

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