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13 Aug 2010 Fri 11:10 pm |
Here is an interesting historical clue to the origins of "Turban", the type of headscarves some Moslem girls claim to signify their personalities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf
If some Moslem (?) idiots prefer to imitate Jewish traditions to prove their devotion to Islam...so be it.
Islam comes from Judaism anyway, so they can´t denounce everything that is a bit like Judaism. Otherwise Muslims would also have to start eating pork, not believe in one god, not believe in the stories of Abraham, Noah, and all that.
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14 Aug 2010 Sat 01:14 am |
If some Moslem (?) idiots prefer to imitate Jewish traditions to prove their devotion to Islam...so be it.
If hadiths are scrutinized, anyone can realize how Islam is deeply affected by Jewish and Christian traditions and beliefs. All these got involved in Islam by these hearsay hadiths which was written by two centuries after Muhammed as well as loads of christian and jewish converts. One example; in judaism it is believed that Eve was created from rib of Adam, you can see same in hadiths but not in Quran. But the interesting thing is whwn you go and ask a regular muslim about this today, you will possibly get exactly the same answer that Judaism claims which is called "İsrailiyat". There are many of them in hadiths which are not supported by Quran. These hadiths collectors also say Quran is missing so in their little mind they tried to complete it. And they are still called "sahih" today, how tragicomic!! is it not?
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14 Aug 2010 Sat 01:18 am |
Quran claims it verifies and authenticates the books which was revealed before. But It also claims the books which was revealed before lost their authentication. And that is why Quran was revealed.
Islam comes from Judaism anyway, so they can´t denounce everything that is a bit like Judaism. Otherwise Muslims would also have to start eating pork, not believe in one god, not believe in the stories of Abraham, Noah, and all that.
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14 Aug 2010 Sat 10:54 am |
Yeah, I had the weirdest discussion with a Muslim friend of mine, years back. She had some question about Judaism, and where the Jews get their beliefs from. I told about the torah and such. She asked me the strangest thing... "but Jews don´t really believe in the original torah right? Thing have changed since then"... I was in shock! I explained to her that no, everything is still as it was. Why else would they call themselves Jews, if they don´t believe in the basics of Judaism? She was the first to explain to me that Muslims believe that somehow things got changed, and that Muslims believe that Jews actually believe in some kind of deformed religion. I wonder why she thought Jews would also think they believe in some deformed religion.
Anyway... having read the Quran, in a Dutch translation, I think that in the Quran itself it kind of assumes that a woman is already wearing a veil, as was the custom back then. Doesn´t it say something like (in much prettier words) let you veil cover the general booby area? I don´t know if assuming a woman wears a hair-covering veil is the same as demanding that a woman wears a hair-covering veil.
In Judaism there is also not a big story behind the reason for covering your hair. It just says something about not showing your hair after your married. No explanation, just do it
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14 Aug 2010 Sat 04:05 pm |
"In Judaism there is also not a big story behind the reason for covering your hair. It just says something about not showing your hair after your married. No explanation, just do it "
KNOW-ALL
It is natural that god willed hair and head be protected by some cover (against the sun), considering the climate Jews and Arabs come from. It would have been weird had he ordered open and shaved heads...like in the Budhist tradition.
It is one thing to believe in a protective and pragmatic god, yet another thing to make a fool of oneself by believing that god´s will is to make people hide their hair.
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14 Aug 2010 Sat 05:44 pm |
"In Judaism there is also not a big story behind the reason for covering your hair. It just says something about not showing your hair after your married. No explanation, just do it "
KNOW-ALL
It is natural that god willed hair and head be protected by some cover (against the sun), considering the climate Jews and Arabs come from. It would have been weird had he ordered open and shaved heads...like in the Budhist tradition.
It is one thing to believe in a protective and pragmatic god, yet another thing to make a fool of oneself by believing that god´s will is to make people hide their hair.
Lol... You don´t know my religious background, it seems I´m not making fun of other people´s religion, and I´m not making fun of Judaism. It is just the plane truth. While in Islam, there are some explanations of why you should cover yourself, in Judaism it just say "cover you hair" without a reason why. That doesn´t have anything to do with God´s reasons, it just means that this is what is stated in religious texts. Jews don´t believe that God has to explain Himself to people all the time. But it´s nice to know that you seem to know what God is thinking.
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14 Aug 2010 Sat 09:18 pm |
Any effort towards bringing humans closer to an understanding of the way god thinks must be the main objective of any religion.
What else are the religions for ?
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15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:04 am |
In Islam, Quran supersedes all other books. Means only Quran is enough according to muslims. So it is normal for your friend to think Jews believe in a deformed religion but not Jews themselves of course. I hope it is clear now. Btw I begin to think you are such a pouplar gal, you have too many friends.
Lastly as for your question, the answer depends on the meaning of Arabic word "zeenathuna" which we say in Turkish "ziynet" and we mostly use it as the equivalent of English word ornament or jewellery. But there is a discussion about this word between scholars if it means special parts of body(such as boobs as you mentioned) or ornament/decoration. So far in many cultures i have not seen women showing their boobs to their male servants who are needless or to their brothers or their children (except maybe breast feeding). Anyway if you want to leran more, go and search Arabic term "ma malakat ayman", you will possibly understand what i mean...
Yeah, I had the weirdest discussion with a Muslim friend of mine, years back. She had some question about Judaism, and where the Jews get their beliefs from. I told about the torah and such. She asked me the strangest thing... "but Jews don´t really believe in the original torah right? Thing have changed since then"... I was in shock! I explained to her that no, everything is still as it was. Why else would they call themselves Jews, if they don´t believe in the basics of Judaism? She was the first to explain to me that Muslims believe that somehow things got changed, and that Muslims believe that Jews actually believe in some kind of deformed religion. I wonder why she thought Jews would also think they believe in some deformed religion.
Anyway... having read the Quran, in a Dutch translation, I think that in the Quran itself it kind of assumes that a woman is already wearing a veil, as was the custom back then. Doesn´t it say something like (in much prettier words) let you veil cover the general booby area? I don´t know if assuming a woman wears a hair-covering veil is the same as demanding that a woman wears a hair-covering veil.
In Judaism there is also not a big story behind the reason for covering your hair. It just says something about not showing your hair after your married. No explanation, just do it
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15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:16 am |
Islam comes from Judaism anyway, so they can´t denounce everything that is a bit like Judaism. Otherwise Muslims would also have to start eating pork, not believe in one god, not believe in the stories of Abraham, Noah, and all that.
Yeah but Jews don´t eat pork!!??
I read the Koran and it says ´Women should display themselves modestly´ says nothing about a veil, just dress modestly or have I read it wrong?
Edited (8/15/2010) by mylo
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15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:25 am |
I guess if you want to make your profit off the religion that already has existed for centuries, the easiest way is to call yourself the upgrade. What Mohamet did was no different from what Henry VIII or Joseph Smith jr did. Instead of coming up with something original, they just took whatever was convenient and showed it in a new light knowing that most people buy whatever they hear without reasoning.
I think women are expected to cover their hair in Judaism because of the times when the book was written - as it is no magical text able to predict fashion and technology for centuries ahead, it took for granted that the way things were was the natural way. This also explains why the big three religions are so sexist, backward and similar.
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15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:35 am |
I guess if you want to make your profit off the religion that already has existed for centuries, the easiest way is to call yourself the upgrade. What Mohamet did was no different from what Henry VIII or Joseph Smith jr did. Instead of coming up with something original, they just took whatever was convenient and showed it in a new light knowing that most people buy whatever they hear without reasoning.
I think women are expected to cover their hair in Judaism because of the times when the book was written - as it is no magical text able to predict fashion and technology for centuries ahead, it took for granted that the way things were was the natural way. This also explains why the big three religions are so sexist, backward and similar.
Mohhamed and Jesus were the same as Henry the 8th? Is what you´re saying?
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