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40.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 08 Aug 2010 Sun 08:30 pm

If you read my post again, you´ll see that I don´t have a big problem with those girls, but I do GET a problem with them when they start reading me a lesson about what I should or should not do. If they want to wear a scarf, fine. If they want to show their ass at the same time...fine. But I do not appreciate them at the same time saying I´m not dressed proper because I chose to hide my *ss, but not my hair. I think that is hypocritical. And hypocracy becomes more visible with such a clear religious statement as a headscarf. I think this is also a matter of age. The headscarf as a religious object is something that should be a conscious choice. If you are 14, 15 years old, put that scarf on, but at the same time put on your skinny jeans, perhaps you are not ready to make choices like that. I believe that in that case it´s not really the girls that make the choice. That is why I think scarfs should be banned, minimum at lower school, and perhaps also in middle school up to the age of 16. Otherwise the girls can be judged in school for their religion, instead of their personality. Why else do you have school uniforms in school? At university, that´s a different story.

41.       vineyards
1954 posts
 08 Aug 2010 Sun 10:31 pm

Well, I think I was pointing out to an obvious contradiction. I am not seeking to demonize these people but a contradiction is a contradiction and theirs is quite a remarkable one. At least, it is for me.

Quoting oeince

 

I do have a problem with that approach. Why do those girls have to be angels? Why do they have to live consistent? Do we always live like we believe? Are we wonderful? Why do they have to be wonderful? In order they wear sth. visible on their heads? I believe that they have the right to be incoherent at least as much as us. Emphaty please. These are just teenagers or young ladies who watch the vampire movies and fall in love with the vampire guy. They have the same passions and wonders as their peers have. Although these "kissing girls" or "*ss showing" girls are a very minor group of covered girls, i think it is not favourable to talk about anyone´s personal choices and acts.

Those girls are socially tortured. They are victims of mobbing. Not just matured people in that site high officers and politicians even talk about how they shall get dressed and how they shall act. That aristocratic paparazzi show has to end as soon as possible. Because while we otherize a significant group of young people, we also destroy the trust relation between the community and state. 

We should focus on what these girls are capable to produce rather than how they are capable to turn the man on. Education and working bans for covered girls not just socially suppress these girls but also lacks us from their production capacity.

 

 

42.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 08 Aug 2010 Sun 10:58 pm

It´s not like the girls wearing scarves cannot make mistakes or be "inconsistent." It´s just that choosing the scarf is a declaration of what´s supposed to be purity, modesty and innocence - all of these by choice. So, if you choose to scream at the world that these are the values you stand for, don´t be surprised you´ll be judged more critically if you say one thing and do another.

Likewise, a priest having sex with a prostitute is usually considered more morally reprehensible than an average Joe Doe.

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43.       alameda
3499 posts
 09 Aug 2010 Mon 11:52 pm

 Interesting Barba....but the styles you have here are just abreviations. Humans, young women in particular seem to get bored with the same ol same ol...thus they try to come up with new styles. Turkish Islamic fashion is very popular now in the Islamic fashion world.

As Muslim women take places in the professional world, they look for appropriate garb. Hijab Style is just one of the blogs devoted to developing hijab styles.  Another matter, is the new ability to now see what other Muslimah sisters are doing around the world, this expands style consciousness.

I had the opportunity to spend time in Morocco in the 70s, at that time most women wore full hijab via a long coat called a jellaba. Most wore the niqab as well. It was amazing to see all the different ways they were worn. I saw young women on motorcycles, prostitutes and many other young and old women wearing full veils. They were able to communicate very efficiently with only their eyes showing. People forget body posture & movements are also communicative.

I even wore one myself. I was dressed by the ladies of the home I was staying in. When I went to the American Express office & showed my passport, I was not asked to remove my face veil. The persons checking my ID could tell by looking at my eyes, that I was the person in the passport photo.

Wearing the full hijab and niqab was actually a very liberating experience. It was sort of like being invisible or visible when I wanted.  Another time in New York City,  I wore a Afghani Burqa on a dare. My friends said they would give it to me if I would walk around in it for a little while. Of course, I accepted the challange. What was amazing is when I went into some shops I knew, they recognized me. I won the burqa.

It´s a shame head covering has become so politicized. The covering on one´s face has been practiced in many cultures other than Islam. If anyone has seen any Japanese or Chinese movies, one will note veiled characters. In the opening scene of Rashomon, the female character is wearing a hat with a full face covering veil. The same style was in popular use in Korea in the early 20th Century. In fact veils have a long history

veiled dancer

yazma

The above is a more traditional way wear the Turkish yazma0 You see, the little decorations go around the face. This is a little more complicated way to wrap than the simple tie under the chin style.

Quoting barba_mama

Turkey has it´s own unique style in clothes. Ofcourse they also wear European style clothes, but I have noticed that Turkey has loads of good designers, who seem to have a style whcih mixes modern and "old Turkish" influences.

Regarding the hijab, there are many different styles in Turkey. I have seen the more urban women mostly wear this style:

This is from the website: http://www.hijabstyle.co.uk/2007/11/turkish-style.html

 

And I have seen the women from more rural areas mostly wear this style:

 

 

44.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 12:12 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

It´s not like the girls wearing scarves cannot make mistakes or be "inconsistent." It´s just that choosing the scarf is a declaration of what´s supposed to be purity, modesty and innocence - all of these by choice.

 

 But you don´t really know why a woman is wearing a scarf. It could be her family insists she wear it, or maybe she just is having a bad hair day.

 

45.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 12:25 am

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

 But you don´t really know why a woman is wearing a scarf. It could be her family insists she wear it, or maybe she just is having a bad hair day.

 

 

If it´s forced upon her by her family, then it´s a terrible thing and a reason to ban such means of oppression. I doubt liberated women would wear a scarf just because of having a bad hair day. At least I hae never seen my friends (from any country and cultural background) do it. Au contraire, these who go for scarf (yes, I have friends who wear a scarf) always have a religious reason to it

 

edit:

Ideally we should all be free to wear whtever we want. Alas, it´s never bound to happen as some would choose niquabs while others would rathe run around naked. I don´t really have a problem with women wearing scarves (not that my opinion matters haha) as long as it´s their choice. However I´m strongly against any type of clothing that covers one´s face



Edited (8/10/2010) by Daydreamer [had another thought I found worth posting]

46.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 12:39 am

 It very much depends on where you are. Turkey has a very highly developed garment industry and one can find the latest European fashions, or the latest in Islamic fashions.

Of course in the cities, one would find more "Western" styles being worn.

Quoting nifrtity

Merhaba,

I notice in turkish series a high fashion in clothes what is the fashion now in turkish is it like

the europ fashion or what ?

and what the kind of hijab in turkey

is any site about this please reply

thanks

 

 

47.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 01:04 am

 Jackie O

JO

As I said, it´s too bad it´s become such a political thing. I think they are lovely.

 

audrey

Queen

queen with glasses

bardot

Quoting Daydreamer

 If it´s forced upon her by her family, then it´s a terrible thing and a reason to ban such means of oppression. I doubt liberated women would wear a scarf just because of having a bad hair day. At least I hae never seen my friends (from any country and cultural background) do it. Au contraire, these who go for scarf (yes, I have friends who wear a scarf) always have a religious reason to it

 

edit:

Ideally we should all be free to wear whtever we want. Alas, it´s never bound to happen as some would choose niquabs while others would rathe run around naked. I don´t really have a problem with women wearing scarves (not that my opinion matters haha) as long as it´s their choice. However I´m strongly against any type of clothing that covers one´s face

 

 



Edited (8/10/2010) by alameda [found another photo of Jackie O]
Edited (8/10/2010) by alameda [having fun with this]
Edited (8/10/2010) by alameda [found another one]

48.       oeince
582 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 01:18 am

I don´t think that the ones who wear scarves scream anything to the world. They are not responsible of anything. They don´t represent any belief. We can´t categorize them as representers of sth. They just live their life. They just have their unique way. They just choose to wear a scarf and its all. They can be great believers or can be prostitudes no matter.And i think noone has the right to judge their choice.

Do we talk about non-scarved young ladies special life? So I wonder why the people can talk as they wish about covered girls? We may see that they declare talking about someones special life and choices is inethical when the subject is any different young ladies choices. This is the main dilemma or "inconsistency" i guess. Do we actually can´t stand the ones who doesn´t look like us? 

We may see many people who insistently say, "accept me as i am", "accept me with my goods and foults" why these ones don´t accept the others as they are. and feel that they have the right to talk about young ladies special life?

Everyone has the right to live as they wish without being judged unless they don´t harm others.

And about the bans, an individual origined goverment don´t mass up with her citizens dress.

BTW, i have to say that, the *ss showing girls who are subject to those posts, are a very minor group and the amount of them is statisticly insignificant. I also live in those streets...

 

 

 

 



Edited (8/10/2010) by oeince

49.       vineyards
1954 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 02:12 am

No, you can´t turn a donkey into a zebra just by painting stripes on it. Those people wearing veils, hijab and similar garments do this because they believe God orders them to severe visual contact with men other than their husbands, and close relatives. Those who knocked the doors asking for votes on behalf of AKP invariably vore scarves and they afforded quite a strong political interest group when the former government tried to deny those refusing to submit photographs taken without a veil, of a chance to enter university exams. They organized large scale demonstrations demanding the right to become doctors or nurses or to enter university exams. They would not examine male patients, therefore would not be eligible for the job. Still violation of all existing international regulations governing the aforementioned professions would be no problem for them. These people were not doing all this just for the hell of it. They indeed regard scarf a symbol not only religious but also political. So, I may have a problem with this trend, movement or whatever it may be. If these people are a bunch of teens wearing hijab just for fun and wishing to enter the university exams anonymously because they think that would be fun too, I also would like to be a part of the fun myself. Can I take an exam wearing a mask? Can I become a doctor even if I declare that I will not touch a female patient even if she is having a heart attack?

Furthermore, we have never said, these people can´t wear what they want. It is their decision. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is just that we don´t need the urge to have empathy with people kissing their boy friends in public places wearing hijab. In Turkish there is a saying, "Bu ne perhiz, bu ne lahana turşusu." roughly meaning something like this: You say you are on a diet but what about those cookies?

 



Edited (8/10/2010) by vineyards

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50.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Aug 2010 Tue 04:33 am

 Vineyards,

I realize this is an internal Turkish issue, and sentiments are very volitile around the issue. I just wish that it were not. It´s just a piece of fabric that has become a hot button issue.

A woman can´t even wear these styles like Audrey Hepburn, Jackie O these days without sparking controversy. As I have said in the past, there are many reasons to cover one´s head, religion is one of them, but there are others. I know women who wear head coverings when they have chemotherapy, or they don´t want the wind to mess up their hair, they are having a "bad hair day", they have sensitive ears and the breeze is annoying or maybe they just like the way it looks.  So what if they cover their heads?  Why make such a big deal about it?

On the other hand, can you imagine being in a situation where you were forced to expose your bare chest? Obviouslythere are a significant amount of women who feel overly exposed by having to go bare headed.

 

The other issues you mentioned are other things, more complicated and I don´t want to get into in this thread.

 

By the way, it was considered a status symbol in early days for a person to have the right to be covered.

Quoting vineyards

No, you can´t turn a donkey into a zebra just by painting stripes on it. Those people wearing veils, hijab and similar garments do this because they believe God orders them to severe visual contact with men other than their husbands, and close relatives...............Furthermore, we have never said, these people can´t wear what they want. It is their decision. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is just that we don´t need the urge to have empathy with people kissing their boy friends in public places wearing hijab. In Turkish there is a saying, "Bu ne perhiz, bu ne lahana turşusu." roughly meaning something like this: You say you are on a diet but what about those cookies?

 

 

Ah yes...those cookies.....one should always be discreet......

 

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