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50.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 02:38 am

I guess only divine justice can solve this problem and we can only make it worse like we always do. And here most of the people discuss this issue to satisfy their egos they dont give a shit about the victims of this war.

51.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 09:18 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

I guess only divine justice can solve this problem and we can only make it worse like we always do. And here most of the people discuss this issue to satisfy their egos they dont give a shit about the victims of this war.

 

Thats right, Gokuyum, its true. Users like Si++ and Tunci dont give a toss about the victims all they care is the honor of Turkey, nothing more. They feel no pain, no sytmpathy when talking about killings but pure honor, for this honor if the government says go and kill more, they will go and kill. And I am sure, Gokuyum, you will join them.

52.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 10:37 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

*See the post nr.16 above.. tunci´s post.. you will find the original list there in that post.. The list is not mine.. I was just commenting on tunci´s list.. I don´t think tunci hoca needs someone else to defend his views.. 

**deportation was tunci´s choice for "tehcir".. I used relocation.. 

 

Next time read the posts more carefully before commenting on them  {#emotions_dlg.whistle}

It´s not your call to tell me what to read. I replied your post and your view about the list of item which you have quoted and commented.

As for your above words that I underlined..

Firstly the unimportant part: your matching is wrong: armenians x muslims

It should be Turks x Armenians or Muslims x Christians .. right? Wink

Muslims = Mostly Kurds + Turks which is a short hand.

Christians = Armenians

Secondly the important part (in which there is a clear racist and fascist features): They had to be separated? So what were you expecting? Leave Armenians where they were and relocate the Muslims?

It´s you labeling. I don´t see any fascism and rasicm in there. I see some rationale.

Yes they had to be separated. Ottoman government was right. I would do the same if I were the one to decide.

 

Why not the muslims? Why? You say it. Because the muslims were the real owners of the country? Because the muslims had some privileges that christians did not? True Because the christians were the minority That´s also true and weak weak? What do you mean by weak? They have the power to attack civillians and soldiers and were killing them? Because the muslims were the majority true and held the power true?.. Or maybe it was completing the islamization of Anatolia? I don´t think there was such an intention. .. No, no side had to be separated.. Yes they had to. why did the Armenians have to be? So who? you say it. Why do you make it look as if it was the only option to relocate the Armenians in Syria? So where should it be? You say it. Was the problem solved that way? Maybe the Armenian relocation was not a sistemic act of killing but yet a crime against humanity. Maybe the courts are there. Armenians can file case right as Jews did. If you say, "in order to save their lives from the Turkish attacks They were the ones who were attacking in Russian uniforms and as gangs. we decided to relocate the Armenians in Syria, but unfortunately, nearly half of them died from hunger and diseases since proper precautions were not taken because there was a tough war going on..blah blah ", Yes it was a tragedy you must not expect the others to understand you..   I don´t expect anything.

 

 

 

 

53.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 10:39 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Thats right, Gokuyum, its true. Users like Si++ and Tunci dont give a toss about the victims all they care is the honor of Turkey, nothing more. They feel no pain, no sytmpathy when talking about killings but pure honor, for this honor if the government says go and kill more, they will go and kill. And I am sure, Gokuyum, you will join them.

 

Lemon,

These are strong words. I ask you to quote where I did say things like that.

54.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 12:34 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Thats right, Gokuyum, its true. Users like Si++ and Tunci dont give a toss about the victims all they care is the honor of Turkey, nothing more. They feel no pain, no sytmpathy when talking about killings but pure honor, for this honor if the government says go and kill more, they will go and kill. And I am sure, Gokuyum, you will join them.

 

Lemon, I am totaly convinced that you are NOT normal. You should get a professional help from a psychologist. I hope you[inşallah] will get your psychological health back one day..[this is my prayer] but now ; I just want to give a quotation from " Ghazali " [ Great Philosopher] ;

 He said ;  " Cahillerle tartışmaya girmeyin , ben hiç yenemedim "

"Do not argue with an ignorant [people] since I never won it [arguement with ignorant] "

 



Edited (12/18/2011) by tunci

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55.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 01:31 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Lemon,

These are strong words. I ask you to quote where I did say things like that.

 

This is a general impression I have reading your posts and knowing you for a few years. A general impression on Turkish patriotism. I might be wrong.

I am sorry if I ve said too strong words.

56.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 01:32 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

Lemon, I am totaly convinced that you are NOT normal. You should get a professional help from a psychologist. I hope you[inşallah] will get your psychological health back one day..[this is my prayer] but now ; I just want to give a quotation from " Ghazali " [ Great Philosopher] ;

 He said ;  " Cahillerle tartışmaya girmeyin , ben hiç yenemedim "

"Do not argue with an ignorant [people] since I never won it [arguement with ignorant] "

 

 

I´ve forgiven you.

57.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 01:45 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

I´ve forgiven you.

 

 I am so relieved  !, thank you.

I like it when you are nice. You can be nice if you want...God bless you..

58.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 01:46 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 I am so relieved  !, thank you.

I like it when you are nice. You can be nice if you want...God bless you..

 

Thank you.   Enjoy your day.

59.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 04:49 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Thats right, Gokuyum, its true. Users like Si++ and Tunci dont give a toss about the victims all they care is the honor of Turkey, nothing more. They feel no pain, no sytmpathy when talking about killings but pure honor, for this honor if the government says go and kill more, they will go and kill. And I am sure, Gokuyum, you will join them.

You turned this discussion into your own show lemon. Don´t expect me to believe that you are sincere. Nobody can bring back deads by arguing and fighting but they can create more victims. No nation is innocent. And there is no real justice in this world. Every nation can blame other easily with genocide. And this will take us nowhere. I trust only God´s judgement not humans´.

 

60.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 05:39 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

You turned this discussion into your own show lemon.

My show? I just joined in to say that theres nothing here to backup the claims.  The rest was off topic that naturally comes out often. From one thought to another. Logically linked.

Don´t expect me to believe that you are sincere.

I never had an expectation. I feel no such need.

Nobody can bring back deads by arguing and fighting but they can create more victims. No nation is innocent. And there is no real justice in this world. Every nation can blame other easily with genocide. And this will take us nowhere. I trust only God´s judgement not humans´.

Completely agree.

 

 

 

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