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Army ousts Egypt´s President Morsi
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30.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 08 Jul 2013 Mon 08:25 am

Call it a coup, an intervention, a revolution ...whatever !


What ever it is that the army did, it was not directed to saving democracy ! The goal was  to stop bloodshed and an imminent extermination of Egypt.


 


There was no democracy to save in Egypt anyway. Millions were gathered in two rival squares of Cairo, gearing up to butcher each other, in the name of democracy, stupidly provoked and lead by religious fanatics or incompetent politicians. That can hardly be called democracy, even if one of the confornting sides have a slight majority in ballot boxex.


 


Army tried to stop a bloody confrontation; warned politicians to come to their senses and stop the bloodshed. When they did not respond intelligently, the Army stopped this comedy they think is democracy. At this moment, there seems to be no large scale bloodshed.


 


The only hope for the idiotic fanatics or incompetent politicians now is a separation between the Army ranks itself...each part favoring one or the other of the fighting sides, so that a full scale massacre can freely follow.


 


Perhaps, that is God´s will....extermination of Egypt !



Edited (7/8/2013) by AlphaF
Edited (7/8/2013) by AlphaF

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31.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 08 Jul 2013 Mon 10:22 am

Yoksul dev
Önce nasıl bir ülkeden söz ettiğimize bakalım:
90 milyonluk nüfusun yüzde 40’ı okuma yazma bilmiyor.
İnsanların yüzde 7’si günlük 1 doların altında, yüzde 35’i 2 doların altında bir gelirle yaşıyor.
İşsizlik oranı yüzde 13...
Büyüme yüzde 2’nin altında...
Çıkardığı petrol ve gaz kendi ihtiyacını zor karşılıyor.
Devlet yıllardır, her gün herkese üç öğün ekmeği bedavaya yakın fiyatla veriyor. Bu yüzden Mısır, dünyanın en büyük hububat ithalatçılarından biri... Dışa bağımlı...
İşte ülke bu haldeyken ve 60 yıldır diktatörlükle yönetilirken, değişim isteyen dış dinamikle iç dinamik kesişti.

Dış dinamik
Soğuk Savaş’ta ABD’nin stratejisi, Sovyetler’i bir yeşil kuşakla kuşatarak komünizmi çökertmekti. Bu amaçla Afganistan’da mücahitleri besledi. El Kaide’yi yetiştirdi.
Sovyetler çökünce, bölgede radikal İslam ayakta kaldı.
ABD, bu kez onun üstüne işgalle, postalla, tankla yürüdü; ama her müdahale, İslam’ın direniş gücünü ve itibarını büyüttü.
Sonuçta Batı’da İslamofobi, İslam dünyasında Batı karşıtlığı ile dünya gerildi. Dinler çatışması, Batı’nın güvenliğine ve küresel ekonomiye zarar vermeye başladı.
ABD, Ortadoğu’da siyasal İslam’a karşı diktatörleri beslemenin dünyanın yarısını kendisine düşman hale getirdiğini gördü ve yeni bir strateji geliştirmek zorunda kaldı.
Yıllarca ezmeye çalıştıkça yeraltında güçlenmesine yol açtığı radikallere engel çıkarmaktan vazgeçti. Seçimle iktidara gelirlerse esneyip yumuşayacaklarını, Batı’yla uzlaşacaklarını, efsane olmaktan çıkacaklarını umdu.
Bu yeni stratejinin bir başarı hikâyesine ihtiyacı vardı:
O da Mısır’dı.
Mısır, Ortadoğu’nun kilit taşıydı. Dünya deniz ticaretinin yüzde 8’i Süveyş’ten geçtiği için hayati önemdeydi. Müslüman dünyadaki ağırlığı ve İsrail meselesi nedeniyle de benzersizdi.
Kahire’de kansız bir dönüşüm başarılır ve kaynayan İslam ılıtılırsa tüm bölgeye örnek olurdu.

İç dinamik
Mübarek rejimi zaten içeriden çürümüştü, çöküşe gidiyordu.
Kahire’nin “müesses nizam“ını oluşturan askeri ve sivil bürokrasi, Mübarek‘le Mısır’ı 21. yüzyılda birinci ligde tutamayacağını gördü.
Arap Baharı’nın rüzgârını doğru yorumladı.
Mısır Ordusu, Libya’da, Tunus’taki gibi kum torbasına dönüşmemek için, halkın değişim talebiyle çatışmamayı tercih etti. Esnek bir strateji geliştirdi.
Ve kendini kurtarmak için Mübarek‘i gözden çıkardı.
Saray’ın önündeki 60 yıllık barikatı kaldırıp öfkeli halkın önünü açtı. Ve Firavun, “ayaklanma“ ile devrildi.
Şimdi “Darbe oldu“ diye feryat edenler o zaman bunu “Devrim“ diye kayda geçti.
Oysa aynı ordu, sırası geldiğinde, aynı meydanı, bu kez “karşı devrim“e açacaktı.

http://gundem.milliyet.com.tr/misir-da-ne-oldu-/gundem/ydetay/1733641/default.htm

32.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 Jul 2013 Tue 11:19 am

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33.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jul 2013 Tue 11:45 am

The whole process will take no more than 210 days, according to the decree, meaning elections will be by February at the latest.

 

A senior Muslim Brotherhood official denounced the decree. "A constitutional decree by a man appointed by putchists... brings the country back to square one," said Essam al-Erian in a Facebook posting.

 

The Brotherhood has called for nationwide protests to take place a day after a deadly shooting at the site of a sit-in by its supporters in Cairo left at least 51 dead and hundreds injured.

...

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/20137951346463143.html 

 

Brotherhood rejects Mansour poll decree..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23237852

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I think, the west seems reluctant to use harsh words against the military and that is a huge mistake i believe.  And some people have been  arguing about ´the right coup vs wrong coup´ 

The armies, the coups have never been a solution. We know it from our own history. #

I hope this intervention does  NOTcause more bloodshed in Egypt..

34.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 Jul 2013 Tue 12:10 pm

The whole process will take no more than 210 days, according to the decree, meaning elections will be by February at the latest.

 

Whether it is 210 or 20010 days to elections, not much will change in Egypt if today´s religious fanatics on one side and incompetent politicians on the other, remain alive.

What Army should do for Egypt´s best interest is to unload equal but considerable amounts of weapons on both squares, then stand aside and let these buggers take care of each other.

Piece of cake, no ?


35.       Abla
3648 posts
 09 Jul 2013 Tue 12:54 pm

Quote: AlphaF

What Army should do for Egypt´s best interest is to unload equal but considerable amounts of weapons on both squares, then stand aside and let these buggers take care of each other.

So heartless.

36.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 Jul 2013 Tue 01:18 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

So heartless.

 

Do you want the Army to stand in between, or what?

37.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jul 2013 Tue 01:44 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

So heartless.

+1

Last night I was having a tel conv with someone. I was telling that what a pity Egypt is about to descent into an internal war, the answer was very similar : he said ´the army is killing religious fanatics´  

I think some people are really pleased to see that the democracy is not working in Egypt. I think the very same people  kept saying in the past that ´Arabs are backwards people who dont understand what  democracy means´.

They were simply racist and  backwards.. 

 

38.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 Jul 2013 Tue 05:12 pm

´Arabs are backwards people who dont understand what  democracy means´.

 

None of the members here would ever say that.

We all know democracy was started by Arabs at the beginning of history.  

Today, many Arabic countries like Saudi Arabıa, Jordan, Qatar, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain etc are pillars of world Democracy. All rulers in those countries are good democratic chaps. They all like democracy so much, they eat it for breakfast every morning.

The only failure seems to be in Egypt. Pls wait until they find a democratic PHAROH for themselves...all will then be OK.

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39.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jul 2013 Tue 09:30 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

´Arabs are backwards people who dont understand what  democracy means´.

 

None of the members here would ever say that.

We all know democracy was started by Arabs at the beginning of history.  

Today, many Arabic countries like Saudi Arabıa, Jordan, Qatar, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain etc are pillars of world Democracy. All rulers in those countries are good democratic chaps. They all like democracy so much, they eat it for breakfast every morning.

The only failure seems to be in Egypt. Pls wait until they find a democratic PHAROH for themselves...all will then be OK.

 

Of course they dont. They never did. They will never say. {#emotions_dlg.angel}

I was just saying just incase if you spot one of those  people lol

 

40.       Abla
3648 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 12:10 am

Tariq Ramadan from the University of Oxford analyses the situation in Egypt in this article. He calls the coup a media-military operation of the highest order. Among other things he says

 

 

1) the army did not return to politics because it never left in the first place

2) the decision to overthrow Mohamed Mursi was made long before June 30th

3) blackouts, shortage of gasoline and natural gas came to an abrupt end after the fall of the President

4) Abdul Fatal al-Sisi maintained close connections to Israel even while Mursi refused contact with them

5) both Muslim Brotherhood and the President were surprisingly simple-minded and suffered from lack of experience; they could not believe the U.S. would accept such a thing as a coup d´état in Egypt

6) the USA and the EU have no quarrel with the political Islam and the salafi literalists of the Gulf states and their denial of democracy

7) the silence of the Western governments tells us all we need to know: there was no Arab spring.

 

 

http://www.tariqramadan.com/spip.php?article12927&lang=fr

 

 

It is all about keeping up appearances. And we people are so naive.



Edited (7/10/2013) by Abla
Edited (7/10/2013) by Abla

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