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Army ousts Egypt´s President Morsi
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 01:06 am

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/20137319828176718.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23173794

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I am not sure about this actually..

The army should not  have  intervened. It will be curious to see how the west is going to respond.

 

BBC thinks that : What appears to be a military coup in Egypt puts the Obama administration in an awkward position.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23167490

 

2.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 01:09 am

Coup is not a solution. It looks like it but it is not. It only creates victims.

3.       Abla
3648 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 08:54 am

I am very sad and bitter about this. The Egyptians did vote for this man. For the first time ever. They organized a campaign, they queued to the polls. The Muslim Brotherhood won it because they had the history, they had the skills and contacts, they were organized. Even if they had been banned from politics for decades they still always acted as a positive force in the society. For instance, when the corrupted administration did not give people what they need the Brotherhood often did.

 

If you say you support democracy you should also accept what it brings.

 

There is no greater power in Egypt than the army. They get the U.S. dollars, they control 40 per cent of businesses. They support Tamarod for their own reasons. During Mursi Egypt has received support from IMF which demands the country to possess of its economical structures and this was written to the new constitution. No one knows the budget of the army and the generals want it that way.

 

There is no greater power in Egypt than the army and there will never be. The demonstrators made this possible. Hosni must be so pleased to see this day. 

 

Go to Ramses Square and look around: things could not be very much worse in the overcrowded city. It is an emergency and a human disaster. Instead of organizing parties in the Tahrir with flags and fireworks  people should go and do their work better. Each one of them.

 

May Allah protect Egypt.



Edited (7/4/2013) by Abla

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4.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 09:23 am

If you say you support democracy you should also accept what it brings.

 

 

 

Democracy is not merely a collection of ballot boxes.



Edited (7/4/2013) by AlphaF

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5.       Abla
3648 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 09:36 am

Quote:

Democracy is not merely a collection of ballot boxes.

 

Yes those other things is exactly what Muslim Brotherhood represented in Egypt because they had no voice in the political arena. And that is why they won the first free elections. It was the natural course of events.



Edited (7/4/2013) by Abla

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 11:09 am

 

Quoting Abla

I am very sad and bitter about this. The Egyptians did vote for this man. For the first time ever. They organized a campaign, they queued to the polls. The Muslim Brotherhood won it because they had the history, they had the skills and contacts, they were organized. Even if they had been banned from politics for decades they still always acted as a positive force in the society. For instance, when the corrupted administration did not give people what they need the Brotherhood often did.

 

If you say you support democracy you should also accept what it brings.

 

There is no greater power in Egypt than the army. They get the U.S. dollars, they control 40 per cent of businesses. They support Tamarod for their own reasons. During Mursi Egypt has received support from IMF which demands the country to possess of its economical structures and this was written to the new constitution. No one knows the budget of the army and the generals want it that way.

 

There is no greater power in Egypt than the army and there will never be. The demonstrators made this possible. Hosni must be so pleased to see this day. 

 

Go to Ramses Square and look around: things could not be very much worse in the overcrowded city. It is an emergency and a human disaster. Instead of organizing parties in the Tahrir with flags and fireworks  people should go and do their work better. Each one of them.

 

May Allah protect Egypt.

 

I agree with what you are saying 100%. Anybody who thinks democrasy is not only elections should also resist against coups. I think it is one of those times people and countries are going to reflect what they think of democracy.

So far EU said : The European Union has called for a rapid return to democracy in Egypt.

Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates welcome the coup.

USA is short of calling this as a coup..

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/201373223029610370.html

 

7.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 03:47 pm

For good measure, Article 35 of the relevant Military Code must be cancelled.

Did nobody tell that to Morsi ?

No Article 35, no military coup ! As simple as that......{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

 

This would have guaranteed the desired result, no?

8.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 04:18 pm

Does anyone know if Morsi had plans to demolish pyramids and build Shopping Malls, in their places ?

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9.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 05:18 pm

 

Quoting Abla

I am very sad and bitter about this. The Egyptians did vote for this man. For the first time ever. They organized a campaign, they queued to the polls. The Muslim Brotherhood won it because they had the history, they had the skills and contacts, they were organized. Even if they had been banned from politics for decades they still always acted as a positive force in the society. For instance, when the corrupted administration did not give people what they need the Brotherhood often did.

 

If you say you support democracy you should also accept what it brings.

 

There is no greater power in Egypt than the army. They get the U.S. dollars, they control 40 per cent of businesses. They support Tamarod for their own reasons. During Mursi Egypt has received support from IMF which demands the country to possess of its economical structures and this was written to the new constitution. No one knows the budget of the army and the generals want it that way.

 

There is no greater power in Egypt than the army and there will never be. The demonstrators made this possible. Hosni must be so pleased to see this day. 

 

Go to Ramses Square and look around: things could not be very much worse in the overcrowded city. It is an emergency and a human disaster. Instead of organizing parties in the Tahrir with flags and fireworks  people should go and do their work better. Each one of them.

 

May Allah protect Egypt.

 

Abla you seem to know alot about Muslim Brothers.(Ikhwan?) Why dont you give us some info about them? 

10.       Abla
3648 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 10:53 pm

What I have is more like an impression and a feeling that Ikhwan has been unjustly demonized in the Western media. This serves both the anti-Islamic interests of the West (look, they are having a difficulty in calling the coup a coup) and the old autocratic rulers of the Middle East. In Egypt, Ikhwan traditionally represents democracy on the grass-root level. It has given a voice to millions of oppressed people. Among ordinary street men Ikhwan was mainly a charity organization which has established hospitals and social welfare centers as well as helped people to deal with the corrupted authorities in order to get their rights. All this began long before they had any chance to act as an official political force.

 

Muslim Brotherhood had an orphanage in the same house where I used to live in Cairo. To take a child from the street and to give him a home and education is one of the biggest good deeds I can imagine. I have also written about my experience of the Egyptian believers in another thread here:

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_53127, post 10

 

 

The support of the Ikhwan has not come from out of nowhere. They did not distribute rice and corn oil to the poor in the streets just in order just to win the election  -  they had been doing the same for 80 years. Ikhwan was a forbidden political party in Mubarak’s Egypt and its members suffered harsh treatment by the despotic police force. At times the members were arrested in big numbers. Ikhwan were represented in politics and the judicial system but officially only as individuals.

 

I am not sure if it is the ideal situation that a religious party rules any country. Probably not. Mohamed Mursi at least was not able or did not want to unite the whole people. Instead, like your Erdogan he was content with the support of his own voters which is not stateman-like behaviour. This is when the army saw its chance. Don’t tell me Abdelfatah al-Sisi is any more interested in democracy or human rights. What interests the army is the army.

 

What we can’t understand is what a deeply religious country Egypt still is. It is impossible to think of the future of Egypt without a strong influence of the Muslim Brotherhood which in its political agenda is not as strict or scary as militant Islamists. In Egypt, until today the strongest weapon against ignorance, corruption and abuse is religion whether we like it or not. Maybe the influence of Ikhwan will weaken in the future as societies modernise and global influence reaches the slums and outlying villages of the Nile valley but until then it is very annoying that the army tells who is admissible to be chosen the leader of Egypt and who is not.

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