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Army ousts Egypt´s President Morsi
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10.       Abla
3648 posts
 04 Jul 2013 Thu 10:53 pm

What I have is more like an impression and a feeling that Ikhwan has been unjustly demonized in the Western media. This serves both the anti-Islamic interests of the West (look, they are having a difficulty in calling the coup a coup) and the old autocratic rulers of the Middle East. In Egypt, Ikhwan traditionally represents democracy on the grass-root level. It has given a voice to millions of oppressed people. Among ordinary street men Ikhwan was mainly a charity organization which has established hospitals and social welfare centers as well as helped people to deal with the corrupted authorities in order to get their rights. All this began long before they had any chance to act as an official political force.

 

Muslim Brotherhood had an orphanage in the same house where I used to live in Cairo. To take a child from the street and to give him a home and education is one of the biggest good deeds I can imagine. I have also written about my experience of the Egyptian believers in another thread here:

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_53127, post 10

 

 

The support of the Ikhwan has not come from out of nowhere. They did not distribute rice and corn oil to the poor in the streets just in order just to win the election  -  they had been doing the same for 80 years. Ikhwan was a forbidden political party in Mubarak’s Egypt and its members suffered harsh treatment by the despotic police force. At times the members were arrested in big numbers. Ikhwan were represented in politics and the judicial system but officially only as individuals.

 

I am not sure if it is the ideal situation that a religious party rules any country. Probably not. Mohamed Mursi at least was not able or did not want to unite the whole people. Instead, like your Erdogan he was content with the support of his own voters which is not stateman-like behaviour. This is when the army saw its chance. Don’t tell me Abdelfatah al-Sisi is any more interested in democracy or human rights. What interests the army is the army.

 

What we can’t understand is what a deeply religious country Egypt still is. It is impossible to think of the future of Egypt without a strong influence of the Muslim Brotherhood which in its political agenda is not as strict or scary as militant Islamists. In Egypt, until today the strongest weapon against ignorance, corruption and abuse is religion whether we like it or not. Maybe the influence of Ikhwan will weaken in the future as societies modernise and global influence reaches the slums and outlying villages of the Nile valley but until then it is very annoying that the army tells who is admissible to be chosen the leader of Egypt and who is not.

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11.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 01:45 am

 

Quoting Abla

What I have is more like an impression and a feeling that Ikhwan has been unjustly demonized in the Western media. This serves both the anti-Islamic interests of the West (look, they are having a difficulty in calling the coup a coup) and the old autocratic rulers of the Middle East. In Egypt, Ikhwan traditionally represents democracy on the grass-root level. It has given a voice to millions of oppressed people. Among ordinary street men Ikhwan was mainly a charity organization which has established hospitals and social welfare centers as well as helped people to deal with the corrupted authorities in order to get their rights. All this began long before they had any chance to act as an official political force.

 

Muslim Brotherhood had an orphanage in the same house where I used to live in Cairo. To take a child from the street and to give him a home and education is one of the biggest good deeds I can imagine. I have also written about my experience of the Egyptian believers in another thread here:

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_53127, post 10

 

 

The support of the Ikhwan has not come from out of nowhere. They did not distribute rice and corn oil to the poor in the streets just in order just to win the election  -  they had been doing the same for 80 years. Ikhwan was a forbidden political party in Mubarak’s Egypt and its members suffered harsh treatment by the despotic police force. At times the members were arrested in big numbers. Ikhwan were represented in politics and the judicial system but officially only as individuals.

 

I am not sure if it is the ideal situation that a religious party rules any country. Probably not. Mohamed Mursi at least was not able or did not want to unite the whole people. Instead, like your Erdogan he was content with the support of his own voters which is not stateman-like behaviour. This is when the army saw its chance. Don’t tell me Abdelfatah al-Sisi is any more interested in democracy or human rights. What interests the army is the army.

 

What we can’t understand is what a deeply religious country Egypt still is. It is impossible to think of the future of Egypt without a strong influence of the Muslim Brotherhood which in its political agenda is not as strict or scary as militant Islamists. In Egypt, until today the strongest weapon against ignorance, corruption and abuse is religion whether we like it or not. Maybe the influence of Ikhwan will weaken in the future as societies modernise and global influence reaches the slums and outlying villages of the Nile valley but until then it is very annoying that the army tells who is admissible to be chosen the leader of Egypt and who is not.

 

 

Abla

Thank you.. It is a great help to understand the situation for us.

12.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 08:27 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Abla you seem to know alot about Muslim Brothers.(Ikhwan?) Why dont you give us some info about them? 

 

I like that !{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

13.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 10:56 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

I like that !{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

I was right on Abla would be able to give some info about muslim brothers. If you knew anything about them, I would have asked you. But you dont. So thanks to Abla again for the valuable information.

 

14.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 11:29 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

I was right on Abla would be able to give some info about muslim brothers. If you knew anything about them, I would have asked you. But you dont. So thanks to Abla again for the valuable information.

 

 

It does not amaze me that abla knows about Muslim Brothers. I think she works for them...

That is what I liked about your question..

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15.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 12:28 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

It does not amaze me that abla knows about Muslim Brothers. I think she works for them...

That is what I liked about your question..

 

Though I doubt it, but she might very well do. I would find it interesting if she did . It is better  than army boot licking and uniform  fetishism. 

However, it does not change anything from the knowledge point of view. 

 

16.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 12:55 pm

To a sincere student of democracy, there is no difference between licking & kissing army boots or licking & kissing fanatically religious asses.

If anyone is trying to tell me that one is better than the other, he/she obviously has no interest in democracy.

Read my books, if you need to learn what exactly one should lick & kiss in life.

Master Tao

 

 

 

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17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 01:28 pm

Anybody who thinks supporting people´s freedom of religion is the same as licking the armyboots can only have nirvana in their dreams.

 Licking of something is  NOT a farz as far as  the democracy is concerned. Even not a sunnet. Just a old habit for some

18.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 01:33 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Anybody who thinks supporting people´s freedom of religion is the same as licking the armyboots can only have nirvana in their dreams.

 Licking of something is  NOT a farz as far as  the democracy is concerned. Even not a sunnet. Just a old habit for some

 

If you are trying to tell us that Egyptians have no freedom of religion anymore, now that Morsi is ousted, you certainly deserve to kiss a lot of asses.

What did Morsi care about religious freedom of non moslems or ateists in Egypt, anyway?

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19.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 02:16 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

If you are trying to tell us that Egyptians have no freedom of religion anymore, now that Morsi is ousted, you certainly deserve to kiss a lot of asses.

What did Morsi care about religious freedom of non moslems or ateists in Egypt, anyway?

 

If you consider being in favour of democracy MUST have something to do with licking either army boots or someones asses, your tongue will wear out.

Army boot lickers idea of democracy is so attached to the licking that the think  "anybody who supports of democracy got to do with some sort of licking". 

That was what was wrong in the begining : The army interventions can not be in the democracy. (That is why what we had years ago in Turkey was not a democracy. It was just army and bunch of army boot lickers)

 

 

20.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Jul 2013 Fri 03:35 pm

Keep the crap short.

Do you think Morsi was the last Egyptian hope for religious freedom for all, or not ? 

Your rebellious General probably thinks he is a better Moslem than Morsi. {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

Religious fanatisizm and army coups are not alternatives to achieve democracy.  Both only produce more asses for people to kiss.

You can not be a democrat, if you must chose one, or the other.

{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}



Edited (7/5/2013) by AlphaF

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