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Army ousts Egypt´s President Morsi
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40.       Abla
3648 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 12:10 am

Tariq Ramadan from the University of Oxford analyses the situation in Egypt in this article. He calls the coup a media-military operation of the highest order. Among other things he says

 

 

1) the army did not return to politics because it never left in the first place

2) the decision to overthrow Mohamed Mursi was made long before June 30th

3) blackouts, shortage of gasoline and natural gas came to an abrupt end after the fall of the President

4) Abdul Fatal al-Sisi maintained close connections to Israel even while Mursi refused contact with them

5) both Muslim Brotherhood and the President were surprisingly simple-minded and suffered from lack of experience; they could not believe the U.S. would accept such a thing as a coup d´état in Egypt

6) the USA and the EU have no quarrel with the political Islam and the salafi literalists of the Gulf states and their denial of democracy

7) the silence of the Western governments tells us all we need to know: there was no Arab spring.

 

 

http://www.tariqramadan.com/spip.php?article12927&lang=fr

 

 

It is all about keeping up appearances. And we people are so naive.



Edited (7/10/2013) by Abla
Edited (7/10/2013) by Abla

41.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 07:25 am

It´s all very depressing, really. I am reminded "Where have all the flowers gone....

Quoting Abla

......................It is all about keeping up appearances. And we people are so naive.

 

 

42.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 10:49 am

Tariq Ramadan from the University of Oxford analyses the situation in Egypt in this article. He calls the coup a media-military operation of the highest order. Among other things he says.

 

I do not know what else Mr Ramadan of Oxford says in his analysis, but he simply keeps quiet about one important point.

Just before Al Sisi ordered unrestive Egyptians to cool it, millions had congregated in two major Squares of Cairo, getting ready to massacre each other.

No decent social scientist would attempt to adress the Egyptian issue, overlooking this major point. Mr Ramadan has no right to speak like an İkhvan employee, at this critical point in Egypt history.


43.       Abla
3648 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 11:02 am

Quote: AlphaF

I do not know what else Mr Ramadan of Oxford says...

How come you don´t know and I gave you the link? And how come you comment and you don´t know? If I were you I would not say I don´t know but I would at least act as if I knew.

44.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 11:45 am

 

Quoting Abla

Tariq Ramadan from the University of Oxford analyses the situation in Egypt in this article. He calls the coup a media-military operation of the highest order. Among other things he says

 

 

1) the army did not return to politics because it never left in the first place

2) the decision to overthrow Mohamed Mursi was made long before June 30th

3) blackouts, shortage of gasoline and natural gas came to an abrupt end after the fall of the President

4) Abdul Fatal al-Sisi maintained close connections to Israel even while Mursi refused contact with them

5) both Muslim Brotherhood and the President were surprisingly simple-minded and suffered from lack of experience; they could not believe the U.S. would accept such a thing as a coup d´état in Egypt

6) the USA and the EU have no quarrel with the political Islam and the salafi literalists of the Gulf states and their denial of democracy

7) the silence of the Western governments tells us all we need to know: there was no Arab spring.

 

 

http://www.tariqramadan.com/spip.php?article12927&lang=fr

 

 

It is all about keeping up appearances. And we people are so naive.

 

These items reminds  me the way Turkish army would plan the things in advance.

I am sure both-most of the  armies in  the Middle East work in a similar mind: Contribute the chaos to worsen the situation then stage a coup and say ´see democracy is not working; we had to intervene´.

In the end, all coups have fascist nature and they dont help anything as far as democracy is concerned. They only postpone the democracy and make the country waste years.

 

 

 

45.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 01:34 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

How come you don´t know and I gave you the link? And how come you comment and you don´t know? If I were you I would not say I don´t know but I would at least act as if I knew.

 

That is the difference between us....{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Edited (7/11/2013) by AlphaF

46.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 02:37 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

How come you don´t know and I gave you the link? And how come you comment and you don´t know? If I were you I would not say I don´t know but I would at least act as if I knew.

 

 +1  lol

 

47.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 02:47 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

 +1  lol

 

 

I will stop trashing you...I think you began enjoying it ! {#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

48.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jul 2013 Wed 03:18 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

I will stop trashing you...I think you began enjoying it ! {#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

I think there is a Turkish saying ´ ac tavuk kendini dari ambarinda gorurmus´ lol

Stop trying to settle your old defeats here and try to enjoy it.. ok?  

 

49.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jul 2013 Thu 10:40 am

 

Quoting Abla

Tariq Ramadan from the University of Oxford analyses the situation in Egypt in this article. He calls the coup a media-military operation of the highest order. Among other things he says

 

 

1) the army did not return to politics because it never left in the first place

2) the decision to overthrow Mohamed Mursi was made long before June 30th

3) blackouts, shortage of gasoline and natural gas came to an abrupt end after the fall of the President

4) Abdul Fatal al-Sisi maintained close connections to Israel even while Mursi refused contact with them

5) both Muslim Brotherhood and the President were surprisingly simple-minded and suffered from lack of experience; they could not believe the U.S. would accept such a thing as a coup d´état in Egypt

6) the USA and the EU have no quarrel with the political Islam and the salafi literalists of the Gulf states and their denial of democracy

7) the silence of the Western governments tells us all we need to know: there was no Arab spring.

 

 

http://www.tariqramadan.com/spip.php?article12927&lang=fr

 

 

It is all about keeping up appearances. And we people are so naive.

 

Sudden Improvements in Egypt Suggest a Campaign to Undermine Morsi
..
 Not only did police officers seem to disappear, but the state agencies responsible for providing electricity and ensuring gas supplies failed so fundamentally that gas lines and rolling blackouts fed widespread anger and frustration.


“This was preparing for the coup,”

But it is the police returning to the streets that offers the most blatant sign that the institutions once loyal to Mr. Mubarak held back while Mr. Morsi was in power.

..

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/world/middleeast/improvements-in-egypt-suggest-a-campaign-that-undermined-morsi.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=world

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I think Egypt ancient fascist regime is fighting back.

The events are very similar to the events in Turkey we saw in the past: State institutions refuse to provide the services to prepare the coup; creating a sense of lack of security, undermining the fuel supply, undermining the quality of life etc. 

50.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Jul 2013 Thu 03:42 pm

Did you know that the Egyptians are the absolute kings of the film industry and entertainment in the Arab world? An Arab actor or singer is not successful unless he/she is successful in Egypt.

 

They know how a story is told. They have the eye for a good story. This was the final scene of this story:

 

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