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Army ousts Egypt´s President Morsi
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50.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Jul 2013 Thu 03:42 pm

Did you know that the Egyptians are the absolute kings of the film industry and entertainment in the Arab world? An Arab actor or singer is not successful unless he/she is successful in Egypt.

 

They know how a story is told. They have the eye for a good story. This was the final scene of this story:

 

51.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Aug 2013 Fri 01:27 pm

 

Egypt army ´restoring democracy´, says John Kerry

US Secretary of State John Kerry has said Egypt´s military was "restoring democracy" when it ousted elected President Mohammed Morsi last month.

 

Mr Kerry said the removal was at the request of "millions and millions of people".

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Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23543744 

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I think, USA has been proved one more time that as long as the new government is not threatening the USA interests, they will support anything, including the coups.

That was what happened in 1980 in Turkey and the democracy was  held back for decades!!

 

52.       Abla
3648 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 07:51 am

Examples of the privileges the Egyptian army profited from during Hosni Mubarak:

 

1. The budget of the army is not discussed in the parliament.

2. Army officers cannot be indicted in civil courts even after retirement.

3. The army always has a word to say about land use.

4. The ministry of military production controls factories where conscripts manufacture everything from diesel heaters to pasta.

5. A great deal of the governors and managers of state-owned companies are former military officers. That was the way Mubarak kept the soldiers happy. It was kind of a retirement program. (Did you hear them crying President Mursi is favoring his own men in nominations...?)

 

In every revolution part of the power always tends to stay in the same hands.



Edited (8/8/2013) by Abla

53.       HaNNo
74 posts
 09 Aug 2013 Fri 05:56 am

Pleeeease don´t call our revolution a coup as for granted... simply with all my respect to all of you none of you is Egyptian & none of you knows Egypt as we do .

 

Ikhwan are not the angels saving the Islam from vanishing in Egypt that is what they are fooling the ignorants with (and they are millions), Egyptians were always religious and will always be, El-Azhar is in Egypt also we have plenty of "Duahs" e.g Amr Khaled, Moez Masoud, Mostafa Hosny, Mahmoud El-Masry, Omar Abdel Kafy.....Mosques are crowded in Friday prayers, Ramadan taraweeh, Bayram prayers.....the dream of most of the Egyptians is to go for Hajj in Mecca & Madina.....Ikhwan doesn´t represent Islam they represent their Hasan Al-Banna´s & Sayed Qotb´s teachings. And even if they do charity, that doesn´t make them qualified as politicians.

 

On the contrary just calling themselves Muslim Brotherhood is BLAMED because any failure from their side will be a failure to the religion itself thats why we just call them Ikhwan (brotherhood). Where is the "100 DAYS PROGRAM" they were alleging. They came for REVENGE from Mubarak & his folks and to POSSESS every authority.

 

Morsy won the presidential elections not only by his supporters´ votes to call now for securing the legitimacy, but millions "squeezed lemon on themselves" - as our proverb say in case of doing something less disgusting than the other - just because the opponent candidate was Ahmed Shafiq the former Minister in Mubarak´s regime "flool" as we call them.

 

And others are those living under the poverty line - thanks to Mubarak - who have been fooled with the "oil & sugar" and that the Ikhwan will bring prosperity to Egypt. I don´t blame those people their way of living is unbearable for animals you can´t imagine guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxOHpI6CH70

It is not a video i´m proud of but you had to see how millions of the Egyptians live and in the same time asked to vote for critical political issues like the presidential elections, the constitution, the parliament elections...BY THE WAY this is not in the country side it is in the capital Cairo in a very sophisticated district called Mohandessein.

 

My brother is a JUDGE who was supervising in the parliaments elections in a very poor town in upper Egypt governorate called Qena, the women came saying please Mr. show me where is the "....." saying the symbol without knowing even how it looks like or whom it represents... and in the presidential elections one came saying please i want to vote for Mohamed or Ahmed something like that which of them is called so??!! and the two candidates were both one called Ahmed & the other called Mohamed.

 

THESE ARE OUR DECISION MAKERS. IT IS NOT WE DON´T KNOW DEMOCRACY but in my own perspective i can´t find an intention from any of those calling themselves politicians to really add some words to our dictionary like development, progress, construction, even education & health

 

The army is one of the reasons that saved 25th of January revolution, why are they now blamed to save our 30th of June?! Isn´t Morsy the one who was asked what if million citizens not from your party protested against you? Will you say they came with secret plans from other countries? and he replied literally the weak president only says that, the president looking for reasons to hang his weakness on as before says that.....Isn´t he the one who said in El-Tahrir square the one who is guarded with anything but the people themselves is the LOSER and NO authority over the people´s authority. After 30th of June we are the supporters of Mubarak´s regime & agents & the protestors are not millions these videos are all Photoshop. how hilarious!!! the same as Mubarak´s media no creativity.

 

Our revolution was not only for the electricity, gas, prices... but mainly for Sinai, Halaieb & Shalatein, our diplomatic relations, constitution serving their interests, changing every decision maker position like in the Petroleum Sector with Ikhwanians..... we wanted to say no need to wait another 30 years as with Mubarak while everything is obvious now.

 

WE ARE NOT LICKING ANYONE´S ANYTHING and if El-Sisy didn´t fulfill the committments he promised... El-Tahrir square is still in its place that is the difference between us and Morsy´s supporters... we are not falling for El-Sisy however they are worshiping Morsy and saying in their demonstration that someone had a dream from Allah that Morsy prayed as an "Imam" and behind him was Muhammad (PBUH)!!!! {#emotions_dlg.wtf}

 

I´m not saying that this was the ultimate solution OR we are living the life we dreamt of, but dying with the hope that one day Egyptians will gain what they deserve is better than accepting the situations our politicians are putting our Country in.

 

May be this is not an interesting topic for most of you, but to relief my Conscience i had to say what i have said "in abbreviation" {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

 



Edited (8/9/2013) by HaNNo
Edited (8/9/2013) by HaNNo

54.       Abla
3648 posts
 09 Aug 2013 Fri 12:12 pm

Quote: HaNNo

THESE ARE OUR DECISION MAKERS. IT IS NOT WE DON´T KNOW DEMOCRACY but in my own perspective i can´t find an intention from any of those calling themselves politicians to really add some words to our dictionary like development, progress, construction, even education & health

Thanks for commenting this HaNNo.

 

I don´t think Tahrir square demonstrators want Murabak´s regime back. Far from it. All I am saying is the army has its own old interests in this and those are hardly development, progress, construction or even education and health. I hope I am wrong.

 

The army is a bad ally for democracy activists.

 

I agree the Ikhwan are probably at their best in charity work, not in state power. They made many and serious mistakes. But I refuse to agree in a country striving for democracy only clever and educated people should have a voice. We don´t want another thirty years you say. Ok, but why was the term of four years unbearable also?

55.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Aug 2013 Fri 12:57 pm

 

Quoting HaNNo

Pleeeease don´t call our revolution a coup as for granted... simply with all my respect to all of you none of you is Egyptian & none of you knows Egypt as we do .

 

Ikhwan are not the angels saving the Islam from vanishing in Egypt that is what they are fooling the ignorants with (and they are millions), Egyptians were always religious and will always be, in Egypt we have plenty of "Duahs" e.g Amr Khaled, Moez Masoud, Mostafa Hosny, Mahmoud El-Masry, Omar Abdel Kafy.....Mosques are crowded in Friday prayers, Ramadan taraweeh, Bayram prayers.....the dream of most of the Egyptians is to go for Hajj in Mecca & Madina.....Ikhwan doesn´t represent Islam they represent their Hasan Al-Banna´s & Sayed Qotb´s teachings. And even if they do charity, that doesn´t make them qualified as politicians.

 

On the contrary just calling themselves Muslim Brotherhood is BLAMED because any failure from their side will be a failure to the religion itself thats why we just call them Ikhwan (brotherhood). Where is the "100 DAYS PROGRAM" they were alleging. They came for REVENGE from Mubarak & his folks and to POSSESS every authority.

 

Morsy won the presidential elections not only by his supporters´ votes to call now for securing the legitimacy, but millions "squeezed lemon on themselves" - as our proverb say in case of doing something less disgusting than the other - just because the opponent candidate was Ahmed Shafiq the former Minister in Mubarak´s regime "flool" as we call them.

 

And others are those living under the poverty line - thanks to Mubarak - who have been fooled with the "oil & sugar" and that the Ikhwan will bring prosperity to Egypt. I don´t blame those people their way of living is unbearable for animals you can´t imagine guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxOHpI6CH70

It is not a video i´m proud of but you had to see how millions of the Egyptians live and in the same time asked to vote for critical political issues like the presidential elections, the constitution, the parliament elections...BY THE WAY this is not in the country side it is in the capital Cairo in a very sophisticated district called Mohandessein.

 

My brother is a JUDGE who was supervising in the parliaments elections in a very poor town in upper Egypt governorate called Qena, the women came saying please Mr. show me where is the "....." saying the symbol without knowing even how it looks like or whom it represents... and in the presidential elections one came saying please i want to vote for Mohamed or Ahmed something like that which of them is called so??!! and the two candidates were both one called Ahmed & the other called Mohamed.

 

THESE ARE OUR DECISION MAKERS. IT IS NOT WE DON´T KNOW DEMOCRACY but in my own perspective i can´t find an intention from any of those calling themselves politicians to really add some words to our dictionary like development, progress, construction, even education & health

 

The army is one of the reasons that saved 25th of January revolution, why are they now blamed to save our 30th of June?! Isn´t Morsy the one who was asked what if million citizens not from your party protested against you? Will you say they came with secret plans from other countries? and he replied literally the weak president only says that, the president looking for reasons to hang his weakness on as before says that.....Isn´t he the one who said in El-Tahrir square the one who is guarded with anything but the people themselves is the LOSER and NO authority over the people´s authority. After 30th of June we are the supporters of Mubarak´s regime & agents & the protestors are not millions these videos are all Photoshop. how hilarious!!! the same as Mubarak´s media no creativity.

 

Our revolution was not only for the electricity, gas, prices... but mainly for Sinai, Halaieb & Shalatein, our diplomatic relations, constitution serving their interests, changing every decision maker position like in the Petroleum Sector with Ikhwanians..... we wanted to say no need to wait another 30 years as with Mubarak while everything is obvious now.

 

WE ARE NOT LICKING ANYONE´S ANYTHING and if El-Sisy didn´t fulfill the committments he promised... El-Tahrir square is still in its place that is the difference between us and Morsy´s supporters... we are not falling for El-Sisy however they are worshiping Morsy and saying in their demonstration that someone had a dream from Allah that Morsy prayed as an "Imam" and behind him was Muhammad (PBUH)!!!! {#emotions_dlg.wtf}

 

I´m not saying that this was the ultimate solution OR we are living the life we dreamt of, but dying with the hope that one day Egyptians will gain what they deserve is better than accepting the situations our politicians are putting our Country in.

 

May be this is not an interesting topic for most of you, but to relief my Conscience i had to say what i have said "in abbreviation" {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

 

 

Thanks for this response. {#emotions_dlg.flowers}

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56.       HaNNo
74 posts
 09 Aug 2013 Fri 03:00 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

Thanks for commenting this HaNNo.

 

I don´t think Tahrir square demonstrators want Murabak´s regime back. Far from it. All I am saying is the army has its own old interests in this and those are hardly development, progress, construction or even education and health. I hope I am wrong.

 

The army is a bad ally for democracy activists.

 

I agree the Ikhwan are probably at their best in charity work, not in state power. They made many and serious mistakes. But I refuse to agree in a country striving for democracy only clever and educated people should have a voice. We don´t want another thirty years you say. Ok, but why was the term of four years unbearable also?

 

 

I totally agree with you Abla that the army has their own interests, that´s why we were asking Morsy for prior elections as he promised to listen to any demonstrators against him without intervening the army... he had a big chance to gather the Egyptians but he couldn´t he is not taking his decisions by himself, it is the "Morshed - Mohamed Badie" according to the (listen & obey) rule.

 

In any job there is a way to hire someone and a way to fire him... except the Egyptian president... what could we do when seeing Ikhwan selling our Halaeib & Shalatien to Sudan, Sinai to Hamas & Islamic troops everywhere in the world, controlling the judicial authority, cutting any connections with Syria and starting the war "Gehad" against them, failing diplomatically with African Countries, humiliating us everywhere Morsy goes, giving a fake promise called 100 DAYS development project, dividing the Egyptians you can´t imagine how debates now look like not only between politicians but also in the same family this bayram was the worst ever in our lives...? Just in one year!!!

 

FOUR YEARS WOULD NEVER END. the first period Morsy, the next El-Shater, the next El-Beltagy, then Hegazy and so on...when we had to choose between Morsy & the prior Minister Shafiq, some said "it is better to wear the pullover "Shafiq" four years than wear galabeya "Ikhwan" forever"...

 

And i´m not asking to preserve the political voices only for clever & educated, but i refuse taking a privilege from their hunger as they are doing now with children in Rabaa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wShCy0jBvDA

 

the reporter: Is your father alive?

the kid: yes, (he is holding a message to his martyr father)

the reporter: so why are you holding this?

the kid: they gave it to us... those people over there

 

This is not the end hopefully...

57.       Abla
3648 posts
 09 Aug 2013 Fri 04:31 pm

Quote: HaNNo

the reporter: Is your father alive?

the kid: yes, (he is holding a message to his martyr father)

the reporter: so why are you holding this?

the kid: they gave it to us... those people over there

Maybe they exaggerate, the situation has given them the cloak of martyrdom. But it does not change the fact that a massacre took place in Rabaa 27 July, does it?

 

If we want to find the good side of it we could say that people´s tolerance against unjustice and lousy living conditions has decreased. What during Mubarak´s time was seen as a necessity has changed into something people can oppose and stand against.

58.       HaNNo
74 posts
 09 Aug 2013 Fri 04:56 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

Maybe they exaggerate, the situation has given them the cloak of martyrdom. But it does not change the fact that a massacre took place in Rabaa 27 July, does it?

 

 

 

Ambiguity is our lifestyle now, what happened on 27th July was NOT at Rabaa it was somewhere close in front of a military institution, none of the army invaded Rabaa´s demonstrations, so who incited those innocent people to go overthere?


Grief & pain are deeply finding their ways into our hearts to all Egyptians dying for others´ interests, and to all soliders dying in Sinai everyday trying to clean up what Morsy did and was intending to do.

N.B: please don´t rely on aljazeera, they also have their own interests


59.       Abla
3648 posts
 14 Aug 2013 Wed 07:17 pm

Quote: HaNNo

so who incited those innocent people to go overthere?

Gosh they are getting themselves killed again.

60.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Aug 2013 Wed 07:43 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

Gosh they are getting themselves killed again.

 

Dictators will always be dictators.

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