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living together before marriage
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 08:07 pm |
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I always respect your views Catwoman, but I must draw my conclusion by what I see. The increase in children born without known fathers, into "families" where siblings have multiple "fathers" does seem to coincide with the problem we have in the UK now.
We have "feral" children now; children who have no rules given to them. They roam the streets and end up causing problems for others. Their mothers are often very young and do not want to give them the time they deserve. THIS IS FACT. These children are effectively psychopaths - children who have been raised without love or boundaries and cannot empathise. They have no compassion.
I am lucky to live in a very nice place, but even here you can go out at midnight and see children of all ages (sometimes as young as 2) out on the streets - often accompanied by their 16 year old mothers - smoking, drinking and destroying property. I look at the 2 year olds and it makes me want to take them home, keep them safe. It is heartbreaking to watch...
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 08:13 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting aenigma x: +1 I have to agree with you here Alperhkn. We have a similar situation in the UK. I am NOT conservative in my thinking, but where children are concerned I have to agree that the "old fashioned" values are the best ones.
Let's hope that, in this respect, Turkey does not become more westernised in it's thinking. |
I don't completely agree with you. I think that kids are comparatively the same off, because while some parents feel more responsible for their kids in family oriented cultures, others are only harming the children by being dysfunctional families.
It is all give-and-take. The traditional family values are great, but also create hierarchical, dis-individualized institutions, where the good of the group is more important then the happiness of the individuals.
In more individualized cultures, the respect is put on the individual, while relaxing the family ties. This is the only possibility, we can't have all the good things without any trade-offs. So I prefer this kind of system, which both respects and requires personal responsibility. |
In fact, I dont agree with your theory (the good of the group is more important then the happiness of the individuals). The happiness of the group is only possible with the happiness of individuals. This is not a football team where result is important. Besides, individualism is much more supported in family oriented cultures. Isnt it great to have people loving you and more experienced in life than you, always near you both psychologically and materially while giving decisions. Ofcourse that excessiveness might be harmful as is in most of the things but this is an exception so not really matters here.
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 08:16 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: I always respect your views Catwoman, but I must draw my conclusion by what I see. The increase in children born without known fathers, into "families" where siblings have multiple "fathers" does seem to coincide with the problem we have in the UK now.
We have "feral" children now; children who have no rules given to them. They roam the streets and end up causing problems for others. Their mothers are often very young and do not want to give them the time they deserve. THIS IS FACT. These children are effectively psychopaths - children who have been raised without love or boundaries and cannot empathise. They have no compassion.
I am lucky to live in a very nice place, but even here you can go out at midnight and see children of all ages (sometimes as young as 2) out on the streets - often accompanied by their 16 year old mothers - smoking, drinking and destroying property. I look at the 2 year olds and it makes me want to take them home, keep them safe. It is heartbreaking to watch... |
+10000000... this is the inevitable result of immorality. I totally agree with this. We have too many kids like you described here and sooner or later they will harm us somehow unless not cared.. no way to escape..
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 08:21 pm |
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Quoting alperhkn: +10000000... this is the inevitable result of immorality. I totally agree with this. We have too many kids like you described here and sooner or later they will harm us somehow unless not cared.. no way to escape.. |
So true. We have an organisation in the UK called the RSPCA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) and they report this year an increase of 70% in the torture of animals by young people.
If you read any case histories of psychopaths, there is a common link. They ALL started out by hurting and torturing animals...then in adulthood started on people.
I fear for the future... 
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 08:22 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: I always respect your views Catwoman, but I must draw my conclusion by what I see. The increase in children born without known fathers, into "families" where siblings have multiple "fathers" does seem to coincide with the problem we have in the UK now.
We have "feral" children now; children who have no rules given to them. They roam the streets and end up causing problems for others. Their mothers are often very young and do not want to give them the time they deserve. THIS IS FACT. These children are effectively psychopaths - children who have been raised without love or boundaries and cannot empathise. They have no compassion.
I am lucky to live in a very nice place, but even here you can go out at midnight and see children of all ages (sometimes as young as 2) out on the streets - often accompanied by their 16 year old mothers - smoking, drinking and destroying property. I look at the 2 year olds and it makes me want to take them home, keep them safe. It is heartbreaking to watch... |
I am not disagreeing with this Aenigma, this is really horrible. I feel that it's the society's responsibility to take care of children from dysfunctional families. But this obvious problem is only more visible then the things that are happening in more restricted cultures. Where people are free in the society, there will obviously be a lot of those who don't know how do handle it. Freedom comes with responsibility, but in western society maturity is not valued enough and hence the lack of responsibility.
However, in the other cultures, men are sometimes extremely abusive in the families that are socially forced to put up with it. Children are used as free labor, with complete lack of respect, elders have unconditional respect, without any requirement for being right, parents decide about most aspects of their children's lifes and the ones who don't conform to the standards are completely unaccepted.
The idea of girls and women being killed by their families because they aren't allowed to even complain about their husbands comes from there. This system is far more inhumane.
I lived in a community that resembles this to some extent so I saw the tremendous harm that can be done. But as I said, there must be a trade-off, if we change something, there will be other loopholes. However, the way I see it, in the western cultures, at least the society has some power to change things and people are far more reasonable.
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 08:22 pm |
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thank you all for your insight. x
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 08:31 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Well said Catwoman and it makes me agree with your point of view too. I don't know what the answer is
Incidently, how do you post, stealth-like without logging in  Its very spooky  |
that's my little secret... 
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 08:31 pm |
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You did it again!! It's very very spooky ...I keep looking over my shoulder expecting to see you there
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06 Nov 2006 Mon 12:24 am |
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No religious discussions please. Thank you.
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06 Nov 2006 Mon 01:14 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting aenigma x:
Incidently, how do you post, stealth-like without logging in Its very spooky |
that's my little secret... |
Heyyyy,i don't see you too,
You won't give even a small tip ?!  
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