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4340.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:52 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

{#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

i dont know. they get offended by anything.

 

 

 

Haha, tell this to those who starts the sentence "firstly im not christian but" & "it is horrible however" etc, ok lemon the nightmare of zurna players?

4341.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:55 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

 

 

Turkish government has been trying to prevent all these töre related issues, but it just doesn´t work. Every attemp is regarded as an assault on their culture, because they define themselves with töre.

 

 

 Maybe they should appeal to their great mother Daniella Mitterand

4342.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:59 pm

I wonder if anyone read here read that news, it says she committed suicide, thats because of the love letter she wrote to her classmate, and letter was caught by her teacher. Brainless teacher spreaded that news so she was very afraid and ashamed, of course thats the result of their society...

4343.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:01 am

 

Quoting Yersu

 

How about honor killings amongst immigrants in Europe? Shouldn´t European countries succeed where Turkey seems to have failed, fighting crime and education? Last time I checked they are even more common there.

 

You´re right - it´s equally disgusting in Europe or anywhere else in the world. As far as I know these crimes are punished with up to life sentence in Europe. Plus there´s a lot of institutions and hostels aimed at helping women who are threatened with violence. Can you please give a link to the numbers of honour killings in Europe vs in Turkey. Somehow I find it hard to believe that they are more common here than there (although I stand to be corrected!)

4344.       raindrops
267 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:07 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

That´s just ridiculous and racist. You are saying that Kurds are primitive, backwards people unable of making intelligent decisions. Yes, it may be their culture, but I am sure that there are progressive people amongst them who wish things could change, if only there were fair laws applied in fair ways. But of course that Kurds won´t trust Turks who at the same time put them to prison for celebrating their holidays.

 

there are prominent people in every society, culture or nation, but it does not make people clever in general. intellect of crowd is low, intellect of individual - high.

more develop culture is less aggressive and it is a weak point.

would you try to teach your newborn higher mathematics? i bet - no, you would wait for certain years. though with cultures we do not wait. we are eager to put them on equal to ours levels ...

global culture became more humane, that is why countries and nations are not free to make some small genocides - there will be punishment ... for example, why Napoleon was so successful? his first salvo was fired with live cartridges, rest - blank. and it had its effect

4345.       Trudy
7887 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:09 am

 

Quoting armegon

I wonder if anyone read here read that news, it says she committed suicide, thats because of the love letter she wrote to her classmate, and letter was caught by her teacher. Brainless teacher spreaded that news so she was very afraid and ashamed, of course thats the result of their society...

 

And you don´t wonder about her committing suicide as the second member of the same family? Her sister (supposedly) committed suicide in 1997 (or 1996, can´t remember). Weird, that deaths are administrated as suicides. Looks like a huge covering up to me.

4346.       Yersu
241 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:10 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

That´s just ridiculous and racist. You are saying that Kurds are primitive, backwards people unable of making intelligent decisions. Yes, it may be their culture, but I am sure that there are progressive people amongst them who wish things could change, if only there were fair laws applied in fair ways. But of course that Kurds won´t trust Turks who at the same time put them to prison for celebrating their holidays.

You are right catwoman; there has been so many things going on between Turks & Kurds that it isn´t possible for us to intervene in their lifestyle anymore. We are alienated and that was what I was trying to say from the start. 

 

An example: I have relatives who work as teacher and nurse there, and did you know that infantile paralysis is still a serious problem among the Kurds? Because many rural Kurds reject vaccines as there are rumours that Turks are trying to sterilize them. Go figure, the trust between the peoples are THAT terrible. You know, like that story of the old man and the snake. And I don´t see it getting better soon, the only Kurds that have no issues are the so called Turkified Kurds. Like American of Irish descent etc.

 

Anyway; This is not an issue of who is right or wrong anymore. Turks or Turkish government can no longer intervene such issues, they will defend it more and more. My point right from the start, let them live their culture freely. Let them run amuck killing whoever they want. Sooner or later they will see that this is ridiculous and grow out of it, by themselves.

 



Edited (1/20/2010) by Yersu

4347.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:10 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

That´s just ridiculous and racist.

 

 Saying the truth is not racism i think. Yersu, it seems you are the new racist member Wink 

4348.       Yersu
241 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:12 am

 

Quoting armegon

I wonder if anyone read here read that news, it says she committed suicide, thats because of the love letter she wrote to her classmate, and letter was caught by her teacher. Brainless teacher spreaded that news so she was very afraid and ashamed, of course thats the result of their society...

 

As the penalties were increased for Töre related crimes (töre saikiyle adam öldürme), forcing suicides has become a new trend. I don´t think these type of deaths can really be called suicide. And I think non Kurdish and non-Islamist teachers should have been selected to go work there, too late now :S

4349.       ptaszek
440 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:13 am

 

Quoting armegon

I wonder if anyone read here read that news, it says she committed suicide, thats because of the love letter she wrote to her classmate, and letter was caught by her teacher. Brainless teacher spreaded that news so she was very afraid and ashamed, of course thats the result of their society...

 

 I admit I didn´t,just got angry at the fact that a child died.But still outrageous is the fact that girl´s letter was brought into daily light,her feeling rideculed and her soul tramped.We adults pretty often destroy children in the name of culture,traditons,values,etc...

Thanks for explaining but it does not change the fact that girl is lost,a kid is lost only bcs of adult´s stupidity!!!!!!

4350.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:13 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

And you don´t wonder about her committing suicide as the second member of the same family? Her sister (supposedly) committed suicide in 1997 (or 1996, can´t remember). Weird, that deaths are administrated as suicides. Looks like a huge covering up to me.

 

Everything possible, i just put what i read...

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