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what caught my eye today
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04 Feb 2010 Thu 06:51 pm |
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I am no more shocked by honor killings, but this one seems to be an extreme case of inhumanity so it caught my eye. It will probably find its place in foreign media as "Turkish" honour killing anyway so here goes:
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/25053450/
Medine Memi (16) who has been missing for 4 months, was found buried under the henhouse of her house. The autopsy indicates that she was alive and conscious at the time of burial. Father Ayhan Memi and grandfather Fethi Memi were taken under custody, they stated she might have had some male friends and they were discontent with it.
-Burying your daughter of 16 years old alive.
-Living, eating & sleeping in 5 meters radius of it for months.
These ´people´ need to be punished hard. I would applaude if they were sentenced to life in prison. And yes, it happened in Turkey so the press will call it a Turkish crime. (If something happens in, let´s say Texas, the press will call it an American crime, not a Texan crime.)
But Yersu, you know what I find so typical in your postings? The way you seem so sure that events like this are only done by Kurds and never by Turks. Does that mean Turks are not capable of doing such horrible things? 
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04 Feb 2010 Thu 07:54 pm |
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I am no more shocked by honor killings, but this one seems to be an extreme case of inhumanity so it caught my eye. It will probably find its place in foreign media as "Turkish" honour killing anyway so here goes:
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/25053450/
Medine Memi (16) who has been missing for 4 months, was found buried under the henhouse of her house. The autopsy indicates that she was alive and conscious at the time of burial. Father Ayhan Memi and grandfather Fethi Memi were taken under custody, they stated she might have had some male friends and they were discontent with it.
-Burying your daughter of 16 years old alive.
-Living, eating & sleeping in 5 meters radius of it for months.
I choose not to comment on the cultural identity of the family of this victim simply because it doesn´t matter. If you are a 16 year old girl being buried alive, do you care that the bastard that is buring you is a Kurd, Turk, American, Chrisitan, Muslim...NO! Very simply put these are animals - not worthy of cultural classification. They belong with the lowliest of beasts. It is in times like this that I am grateful for my religion....it is a small comfort to imagine a special place in hell for these animals.
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04 Feb 2010 Thu 08:16 pm |
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I choose not to comment on the cultural identity of the family of this victim simply because it doesn´t matter. If you are a 16 year old girl being buried alive, do you care that the bastard that is buring you is a Kurd, Turk, American, Chrisitan, Muslim...NO! Very simply put these are animals - not worthy of cultural classification. They belong with the lowliest of beasts. It is in times like this that I am grateful for my religion....it is a small comfort to imagine a special place in hell for these animals.
Dear Elizabeth;
A serial killer or a psychopath can be called an animal, as it is personal urges or whatever, but personal. But this is not.
I am tired of listening to clueless people, generally in good faith though, telling this is related to education or economical levels, but in many situations this is proven wrong. There are organizations(NGO) that regard the feudal islamist lifestyle, töre, as their identity.(the Hezbollah/Kurd-Islam fraction) They even have weekly magazines. What would you think about a group of people who have enough economic power and ability to print a magazine, or read it; but yet support töre?
So no; this can not be regarded as an individual event.
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04 Feb 2010 Thu 08:24 pm |
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These ´people´ need to be punished hard. I would applaude if they were sentenced to life in prison. And yes, it happened in Turkey so the press will call it a Turkish crime. (If something happens in, let´s say Texas, the press will call it an American crime, not a Texan crime.)
But Yersu, you know what I find so typical in your postings? The way you seem so sure that events like this are only done by Kurds and never by Turks. Does that mean Turks are not capable of doing such horrible things?
Dear Trudy;
If you return and look at my post you will see that I haven´t used the word "Kurd" in it. Can you please explain why you thought I was implying they were Kurdish, rather than let´s say Laz, Zaza or Circassians?
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04 Feb 2010 Thu 08:27 pm |
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Dear Trudy;
If you return and look at my post you will see that I haven´t used the word "Kurd" in it. Can you please explain why you thought I was implying they were Kurdish, rather than let´s say Laz, Zaza or Circassians?
You weren´t implying that this time but you said it before.
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04 Feb 2010 Thu 08:38 pm |
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Dear Elizabeth;
A serial killer or a psychopath can be called an animal, as it is personal urges or whatever, but personal. But this is not.
I am tired of listening to clueless people, generally in good faith though, telling this is related to education or economical levels, but in many situations this is proven wrong. There are organizations(NGO) that regard the feudal islamist lifestyle, töre, as their identity.(the Hezbollah/Kurd-Islam fraction) They even have weekly magazines. What would you think about a group of people who have enough economic power and ability to print a magazine, or read it; but yet support töre?
So no; this can not be regarded as an individual event.
Be that as it may, Yersu, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you. I am quite simply saying that the culture or ethnic identity of these people in now way affects how horrible the crime is.
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04 Feb 2010 Thu 08:53 pm |
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The following YouTube video is made by Dutch people complaining about multiculturalism, immigration and yes, Muslims. It´s one of the unfortunately many ideas people in The Netherlands have, happily still a minority. When I see a video like this, I´m very much ashamed to be Dutch. Not all Dutch think like this, not all Dutch have lost their tolerance and openness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BTdlNtcWBg
(NB. Most of the video is in English, a few parts are spoken Dutch. If you like to know what is said, please ask.)
Edited (2/4/2010) by Trudy
[Adding info.]
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05 Feb 2010 Fri 12:26 am |
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If we all beleive the press of this world without finding the facts: there is no hope for mankind no matter what creed , colour or relgion
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05 Feb 2010 Fri 11:19 am |
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Dear Elizabeth;
A serial killer or a psychopath can be called an animal, as it is personal urges or whatever, but personal. But this is not.
I am tired of listening to clueless people, generally in good faith though, telling this is related to education or economical levels, but in many situations this is proven wrong. There are organizations(NGO) that regard the feudal islamist lifestyle, töre, as their identity.(the Hezbollah/Kurd-Islam fraction) They even have weekly magazines. What would you think about a group of people who have enough economic power and ability to print a magazine, or read it; but yet support töre?
So no; this can not be regarded as an individual event.
Double standard alert!
When a Kurdish person commits an honour killing it´s "those Kurds" who keep doing that stuff. When a crazy Muslim guy puts a bomb in his underwear its "not the Muslims, but a tiny portion of crazy Islamists." Let´s say that alllll the bad things that happen to women in Turkey is from the hand of a Kurd (like we never heard of a Turk hitting his daughter or wife or doing something bad...anyway, hypothetical here), does this mean that ALL Kurd are supporters of some kind of feudal system? NO!
One of my closest friends is a Kurd, and he is one of the most emancipated people I have ever met in Turkey. To put him in a box of feudal system nutts is unfair. Just like it is unfair to put any Muslim on this forum in the box of Muslim terrorists.... Just like it´s unfair to put me, as a Dutchy, in the box of those nuttcases who blame every bad part of their own sad lives on "immigration" of "dangerous Islamists into Holland." (Watch the link Trudy provided  ) They seem to forget that immigration is part of Dutch culture, and that even our national flower, the tulip, is the result of importing something from one of those "dangerous" countries 
Anyway, it seems people like to put others in boxes, but get very upset when they themselves are put into any box.
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05 Feb 2010 Fri 04:04 pm |
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Double standard alert!
When a Kurdish person commits an honour killing it´s "those Kurds" who keep doing that stuff. When a crazy Muslim guy puts a bomb in his underwear its "not the Muslims, but a tiny portion of crazy Islamists." Let´s say that alllll the bad things that happen to women in Turkey is from the hand of a Kurd (like we never heard of a Turk hitting his daughter or wife or doing something bad...anyway, hypothetical here), does this mean that ALL Kurd are supporters of some kind of feudal system? NO!
One of my closest friends is a Kurd, and he is one of the most emancipated people I have ever met in Turkey. To put him in a box of feudal system nutts is unfair. Just like it is unfair to put any Muslim on this forum in the box of Muslim terrorists.... Just like it´s unfair to put me, as a Dutchy, in the box of those nuttcases who blame every bad part of their own sad lives on "immigration" of "dangerous Islamists into Holland." (Watch the link Trudy provided ) They seem to forget that immigration is part of Dutch culture, and that even our national flower, the tulip, is the result of importing something from one of those "dangerous" countries
Anyway, it seems people like to put others in boxes, but get very upset when they themselves are put into any box.
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05 Feb 2010 Fri 06:54 pm |
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Double standard alert!
When a Kurdish person commits an honour killing it´s "those Kurds" who keep doing that stuff. When a crazy Muslim guy puts a bomb in his underwear its "not the Muslims, but a tiny portion of crazy Islamists." Let´s say that alllll the bad things that happen to women in Turkey is from the hand of a Kurd (like we never heard of a Turk hitting his daughter or wife or doing something bad...anyway, hypothetical here), does this mean that ALL Kurd are supporters of some kind of feudal system? NO!
One of my closest friends is a Kurd, and he is one of the most emancipated people I have ever met in Turkey. To put him in a box of feudal system nutts is unfair. Just like it is unfair to put any Muslim on this forum in the box of Muslim terrorists.... Just like it´s unfair to put me, as a Dutchy, in the box of those nuttcases who blame every bad part of their own sad lives on "immigration" of "dangerous Islamists into Holland." (Watch the link Trudy provided ) They seem to forget that immigration is part of Dutch culture, and that even our national flower, the tulip, is the result of importing something from one of those "dangerous" countries
Anyway, it seems people like to put others in boxes, but get very upset when they themselves are put into any box.
Great post, BM! 
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