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4430.       Trudy
7887 posts
 05 Feb 2010 Fri 06:54 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 

Double standard alert!

 

When a Kurdish person commits an honour killing it´s "those Kurds" who keep doing that stuff. When a crazy Muslim guy puts a bomb in his underwear its "not the Muslims, but a tiny portion of crazy Islamists." Let´s say that alllll the bad things that happen to women in Turkey is from the hand of a Kurd (like we never heard of a Turk hitting his daughter or wife or doing something bad...anyway, hypothetical here),  does this mean that ALL Kurd are supporters of some kind of feudal system? NO!

One of my closest friends is a Kurd, and he is one of the most emancipated people I have ever met in Turkey. To put him in a box of feudal system nutts is unfair. Just like it is unfair to put any Muslim on this forum in the box of Muslim terrorists.... Just like it´s unfair to put me, as a Dutchy, in the box of those nuttcases who blame every bad part of their own sad lives on "immigration" of "dangerous Islamists into Holland." (Watch the link Trudy provided {#emotions_dlg.think}) They seem to forget that immigration is part of Dutch culture, and that even our national flower, the tulip, is the result of importing something from one of those "dangerous" countries  

 

Anyway, it seems people like to put others in boxes, but get very upset when they themselves are put into any box.

 

Great post, BM!

4431.       Trudy
7887 posts
 05 Feb 2010 Fri 07:13 pm

200 ´honour´ killings in only 2009!!!

 

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/episode-guide/series-2009/episode-3

 

Even one by a man who probably wasn´t able to consummate his marriage and killed his wife to spare his honour!!! {#emotions_dlg.head_bang}

4432.       ally81
461 posts
 05 Feb 2010 Fri 08:33 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

200 ´honour´ killings in only 2009!!!

 

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/episode-guide/series-2009/episode-3

 

Even one by a man who probably wasn´t able to consummate his marriage and killed his wife to spare his honour!!! {#emotions_dlg.head_bang}

 

 I watched this a couple of months ago, was a pretty harrowing watch, some of the horrendous stories just leaves me at a loss for words....

4433.       Yersu
241 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 12:22 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 

Double standard alert!

 

When a Kurdish person commits an honour killing it´s "those Kurds" who keep doing that stuff. When a crazy Muslim guy puts a bomb in his underwear its "not the Muslims, but a tiny portion of crazy Islamists." Let´s say that alllll the bad things that happen to women in Turkey is from the hand of a Kurd (like we never heard of a Turk hitting his daughter or wife or doing something bad...anyway, hypothetical here),  does this mean that ALL Kurd are supporters of some kind of feudal system? NO!

One of my closest friends is a Kurd, and he is one of the most emancipated people I have ever met in Turkey. To put him in a box of feudal system nutts is unfair. Just like it is unfair to put any Muslim on this forum in the box of Muslim terrorists.... Just like it´s unfair to put me, as a Dutchy, in the box of those nuttcases who blame every bad part of their own sad lives on "immigration" of "dangerous Islamists into Holland." (Watch the link Trudy provided {#emotions_dlg.think}) They seem to forget that immigration is part of Dutch culture, and that even our national flower, the tulip, is the result of importing something from one of those "dangerous" countries  

 

Anyway, it seems people like to put others in boxes, but get very upset when they themselves are put into any box.

 

First of all; I am not claiming Turks are angels, we have murderers, rapists and thiefs amongst Turks as there are among every other nation out there. However; "honor killings" and "female circumsizion" are almost totally Kurdish phenomeons. These occur in the Kurdish populated regions of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria; but not amongst Turks, Arabs or Persians. Let´s get this straight please.

 

And please; not the "my Kurdish(Persian, Turkish, German) friend" argument again. We call this "benim Kürt arkadaşlarım da var" argument and it is far older and tired PC bs than you can ever imagine.

If there are some individuals within a society that have the feature "X"; this doesn´t mean every single one of them have it. But it for sure means that "X" occurs among this society, to some degree. I can´t really understand why you come up with your Kurdish friend at this point, because if a few bad individuals can not account for every Kurd out there, neither a good one does.

 

As for "double standards", I have none of it. There is nothing wrong with stating the obvious. E.g. . Ever-increasing radicalism among Muslims is becoming a threat for the whole world. E.g. Neverending feudal Kurd-Islamist culture is getting out of hand in Turkey.

 

Btw.; just as I mentioned this news seems to have found its way to global media. Here; quoting a fellow Turkish Class site member on another thread:

 

"Have you heard that a Turkish girl was buried alive because she chatted with guys? How could their male relatives so cruel? "

 

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_45500

 

Put yourself in my shoes, and you might be able to understand why I am so much agitated, and so ashamed of getting belittled in a site that is supposed to teach my language.



Edited (2/6/2010) by Yersu

4434.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 02:27 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Who said all Kurds are supporters of their feudal system? But i can say many of them are the slaves of that feudal system, it is how they directed by their agas who are now in mostly Turkish parliament but those even as a respect avoid to play Turkish anathem in the opening of their congress.

 

By the way it is not the Turks firstly who do not want to be put in same box but the Kurds and their fellow foreign supporters as they always emphasize that Turks have to show respect to their customs. I know EU parliamenters who firstly visited Diyarbakır instead of Ankara impudently. So where is double standards? Sorry but your argument simply falls downWink...

4435.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 11:54 am

Sometimes people clearly say things without literally using the words. It doesn´t require much reading between the lines. I´ve just grown weary of the subdued Kurd-bashing. This was ment to take a look at yourself for a change, but guess it didn´t work much.



Edited (2/6/2010) by barba_mama

4436.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 02:27 pm

Yes, same applies to some people as well, no need to read between the lines, and i think Turks are fed up with being scapegoat of anything. We also have good saying like "Gözünün çapağına bakmaz, elaleme şaşı der."

4437.       Uzun Ihsan
8 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 03:33 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Sometimes people clearly say things without literally using the words. It doesn´t require much reading between the lines. I´ve just grown weary of the subdued Kurd-bashing. This was ment to take a look at yourself for a change, but guess it didn´t work much.

 

 

 

it`s so ironic that you are talking about "Kurd bashing"

 

just a few days ago a Kurdish man burried her daughter alive in a chicken cage in Kahta which is a Kurdish province of Adiyaman which is also a Kurdish city.

 

 

 

and these comments are from the quardian news

 

 

 

 

"and will anything happen to the police who refused to protect her after she reported being beaten repeatedly, or is that all right because turkish women are the property of their male relatives?"

"turkish are all misogynists. take a look at their common laws. everything works against women."

"the many turkish men are way too preoccupied what goes on in their underpants that even a pure innocent life has no meaning for these crazy bunch.
don´t let these guys enter eu please!"

"why is it that britain is such a vocal supporter of turkish eu membership? do we want or need a people in our club whose culture permits of a mindset whereby it is acceptable to bury a young girl alive for the sake of "honour"?"

"some countries appear stuck in the middle ages.
if turks want to join the eec they need a massive overhaul of the way they conduct themselves."

"backward country. i pray they stay out of eu. why so many turks in uk now?"

 

 

 

 

 

yeah sure you are fed up with "Kurd bashing". but if its "Turk bashing" even when the criminals are Kurdish it`s ridiculously fine.



Edited (2/6/2010) by Uzun Ihsan

4438.       Uzun Ihsan
8 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 03:42 pm

and the murder is labelled as a "Turkish honor killing" by the western media. just what I would expect. any body wants to read the comments? don`t worry there is no "Kurd bashing" in them.

 

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Turkey-Honour-Killing-Medine-Memi-16-Buried-



Edited (2/6/2010) by Uzun Ihsan

4439.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 03:44 pm

When I notice Turk bashing I also address these people and try to make them aware of what they are doing. Two wrongs don´t make a right in the real world, only in mathematical theory

 

By the way, you actually totally pointed out what I call a double standard. Being angry when somebody makes comments about all Turks in a negative way, but at the same times painting a single, negative picture on Kurdish people. How about something positive for a change?



Edited (2/6/2010) by barba_mama

4440.       Uzun Ihsan
8 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 03:47 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

When I notice Turk bashing I also address these people and try to make them aware of what they are doing. Two wrongs don´t make a right in the real world, only in mathematical theory

 

so you will inform these people that its not Turks but Kurds who carry out honor killings in Turkey?

 

 

you can start with informing  the commentators of the news above if you are honest.

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