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06 Jun 2008 Fri 03:59 am |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
Besides,Turkey is no enemy of the USA, au contraire, it's a US supporter
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Thats why US doesnt enter a war with Türkiye
Quoting Daydreamer:
so why should the US go on a war with Turkey if they get what they want from them anyway? |
Because they dont get what they want from them anyway !
The İraq war is a good example too
So in return,although USA and UK occupy İraq,and surely protecting the borders is their responsibilities
Or their puppet government 'İf US ordered them of course' but still it didnt stop the PKK and their attacks,by protecting the borders of the country under their authorities
So made a mess and let Türkiye handle it
İt will be gain by all means
- Will keep İraq occupied in a war with Türkiye and save USA and UK some headache
- Will make Türkiye occupied in a war with PKK and may need or ask for USA help ...what a catch 
- USA will be against the Turkish operation in the first as a peace maker 'as it happened',then will agree with it,because its looking for its allay interests 'making Türkiye a favor as if turkish will buy it '
- Türkiye will lose its credibility in both the Middle East and the İslamic world for fighting İraq
Türkiye was smart enough not falling in it and the operations were limited as they have said ,and we were smart enough not condemning Türkiye too,so they didnt lose their credibility
İf this is how allaies plays for each other favors,i dont want to think about how will they play against
We have proverb says ' Oh God YOU handle my friends,but my enemies i will handle'
Quoting Daydreamer:
Besides, you missed one point there - BSB would say there are no problems with Kurds and, at the same time, they'd say that the US supports Kurdish separation. What separation if there are no Kurds unhappy with Turkish nationalism? |
Well,i didnt miss it,only they are not around to reply or explain so i felt we shouldnt discuss it but still it make sense to me in the concept of war is HELL !
They say there is no problem with Kurd because they see them as Turkish 'Citezens' and they would have same problems just like any Turk in the same areas Kurds live in
On the other hand,if you live in a country,and because of many reasons,wars,politics,...ect through the years it vanished and been into another many countries
Even if you are happy living in those countries,even if you have the rights as a citizen of that country,you still would want to have your country back no matter how many years passed,right ?!
So it make sense
And also it make sense citizen of those countries will be against seperations,no ?!
Quoting Daydreamer:
They would gladly see enemies everywhere. That's actually a must of nationalism. It was the same with Hitler - there were enemies of the Reich, to save his motherland he just had to show them to people. And he did have proofs of it! Hence, bence, Ae's Hitler metaphor that surprised you. Nationalism is nationalism, no matter what country it is. |
Thats what my Dictonary says about Nationalism
-Love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it
-The doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other
-The aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination
-The doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals
So as you see,you can have your pick of the kind of Nationalism you should have,or you shouldnt have for all it matters !
So,why would you assume that they took Hitler's chioce of it ?!
İ never read any post for them saying that Türkiye should dominate or such as !
İ have my pick also from this,and i think nationalism is great
İ love my country,and i would have fight for it if its under foreign domination
that would makes me Hitler ?!
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