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01 Jul 2008 Tue 01:23 am |
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Quoting CANLI: You use nIn + I when talking about something defined,something you and the other person know it,and have talked about it before
Doğru mu ?!
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No. Genitive-possesive construction, has nothing to do with defined, it is a relationship of possession that is expressed.
You can't say
Ali bahçesi. It has to be Ali'nin bahçesi.
Possession in Turkish is made like this:
Noun+genitive suffix 'nIn' + 2nd noun+possesive suffix (s)I(n)
The Capital I expresses that I changes according to vowel harmony, the (s) in brackets only comes when the 2nd noun ends with a vowel, the (n) in brackets only comes when another suffix is added to the construction so:
Fatma+kitap=
Fatma'nın kitabı (see, no S because kitap ends with a consonant and not a vowel)
Ali+bahçe=
Ali'nin bahçesi (an S because bahçe ends with a vowel)
Fatma+çanta=
Fatma'nın çantası
Fatma'nın kitabını gördün mü?
Note the N: only because tehre is accusative construction afte ryour genitive-possesive!
Ali'nin bahçesine gittim
Note the N 
The thing you say, Ali bahçesi, is only possible in this type of constructions:
Okul+çanta (schoolbag)
Okul çantası
Çay+bahçe (teagarden)
Çay bahçesi
BUT: SI in çantası and bahçesi here İS NOT a possesive!!! It is a compound marker and this cosntruction has nothign to do with possession!
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I have to say that that commercial is pretty cute, but.. to call your lover sosis? (Friends who know Kadir occasionally calls me köfte might wonder why I hate sosis, but maybe it is bec köfte in this sense has a speciak meaning, and also i dont like the taste of the pınar sosis of that ocmmercial 
