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25 Jun 2008 Wed 01:49 pm |
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Quoting mltm: I hope someone can give a long explanation of why the second one cannot be. |
In general, there is a difference between the TIK suffix and the ME suffix. Sometimes, they are interchangeable, sometimes a difference in meaning. The difference is usually between something being a 'fact' and something being an 'action':
Esther, Meltem'in evden çıktığını gördü
- Esther saw that Meltem had left the house. (its a fact, Meltem already left)
Esther, Meltem'in evden çıkmasını gördü
- Esther saw Meltem leaving the house. (it's an action, Meltem is leaving the house at the moment Esther is watching).
Esther, Meltem'in evden çıktığını söyledi (fact)
- Esther said that Meltem had left the house
Esther, Meltem'in evden çıkmasını söyledi (imperative)
- Esther told Meltem to leave the house.
(When there is no difference, we are talking about verbs with an emotional load, like üzülmek and kızmak:
Esther, Meltem'in evden çıkmasına üzüldü
Esther, Meltem'in evden çıktığına üzüldü
- Esther was sad that meltem left the house. No difference in meaning.
I don't think this is an answer to the question why istememen is not possible (probably because it is a fact, otherwise it wouldn't be clear/belli), but at least an explanation of the difference between TIk and ME 
I could add quite more examples but I wont bother you  I suppose that in some cases there isnt a fixed answer anyway, you must just remember that that is the way how to do it.
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And I don't have that phobia.
how could you, now everone knows I'm a phatom spammer