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Thread: ki, olarak and somethings!

3041.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 08:30 pm

Quoting cynicmystic:


I am also much confused about how this "ki" found a way to glue itself to SAN+mak (to suppose, imagine, think), and became SANKI (as if). Another linguistic mystery.



This is really nice I never could have guessed that sanki could have its roots in the word sanmak.

It doesnt make it such a linguistic mystery though.

Sanmak has the meaning to think or suppose, 'ki' the meaning of 'that'.

Consider it that...
Think of it as that..

The meaning ofcourse gets twisted within time, but seems a reasonable explanation to me.



Thread: ki, olarak and somethings!

3042.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 08:03 pm

Ben de bilmem ki.

I dont see where this is grammatically wrong.

Bende = de = ismin 'de'hali, yani bulunma hali (locative)
Ben de = bağlaç, bağlama görevinde.



ki = a word that comes from Farsi. İt is used in different ways.

Bazen ki'nin bağlama funksiyonu ön planda, ki bir yardımcı cümleyi kendisinden önce gelen asıl cümleyi bağlıyor:
- görüyorum ki çalışmışsın

Ama.. bazen de bu bağlama fonksiyonu yok. Yalnız küvvetlendirme edatı şeklinde de kullanılır:
- Seninle konuşulmaz ki!
- Bilmem ki!

Küvvetlendirme, şaşırma gösteriyor. Bütün dünyadaki diller gibi, Türkçe de başka dillerden bazı kelimeler almış. 'Ki' konusunda, anlattığın gibi, biraz zor oluyor. When using 'ki' in the meaning of 'que', it becomes problematic: to use ki we need a complete different structure of sentence, and not the genitive construction that is normally used in 'correct' Turkish:
- Çalıştığını gördüm
- Gördüm ki çalışmışsın.

However, it has been taken into Turkish official university grammar books for years and has become a regular, correct form of the Turkish language. The difference with 'que' is, that 'ki' in most cases expresses some sort of surprise or discontent.

Maybe it doesnt look that good in written documents, newspapers (there is always a difference between formal and informal language, whether it is based on grammar, wordorder or pronounciation), but in the konuşma dilinde, İstanbullular can use it if they prefer. This doesnt mean there is no such thing as 'ki' being used grammatcially incorrect, ama bu zaten kelimelerin yarisi icin sayilir.



Thread: Turkish Class TC... How many nice people I knew through?

3043.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 07:49 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting osku:

I want some Flaman (Flemish) to this site...They would tell us what kind of ppl dutch are



Flemish is Belgium, Dutch is The Netherlands (Holland). Quite different.



I think he meant to hear about us from the Belgians

But that is like asking a Turk to talk about Laz!



Thread: Turkish Class TC... How many nice people I knew through?

3044.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 06:12 pm

Quoting osku:



I want some Flaman (Flemish) to this site...They would tell us what kind of ppl dutch are



Elisa, neredesin



Thread: What are you wearing today

3045.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 05:05 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

most of us home SAT and SUN
and you sounded like you have just come home from somewhere



Oh no. I just meant to say after a week full of appointments and lessons, its nice to sit back (well study) wearing 'home-clothes', no make up and jewelry



Thread: Turkish Class TC... How many nice people I knew through?

3046.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 04:03 pm

Quoting Trudy:


In Dutch there are....!



Are there



Thread: akıl akla aklı akılda akıldan akılla aklın..

3047.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 02:58 pm

Quoting caliptrix:


Bizi test mi ediyorsun?



Yok be

Bunları hiç kullanmadığımdan dolayı, hepsi kulağıma hoş gelmedi. Ve yanıt anahatarı kitabında zaten yanlışlıkları gördüm Emin olmak istedim



Thread: Diets

3048.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 02:56 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

I am on a red wine diet.....so far I have lost 2 days!





Thread: What are you wearing today

3049.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 01:25 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

any relation between jeans and home?



Well they are my 'home' jeans Soft and all worn-out



Thread: akıl akla aklı akılda akıldan akılla aklın..

3050.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Oct 2007 Sun 01:21 pm

Hahhaah Aslında yanıt anahtarından aldım, çünkü kendi cevaplarım yanlıştı

'Onun ömrü'ne göre cevapladım herşeyi

Neyse, çok tşk ederim!



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