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Thread: T 2 E lutfen some small ones. been out all day no dicionary.

2971.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 01:27 am

Quoting SuiGeneris:


same here! it makes me sad and furious to see this kind of turkish! like tarzanian! hell!



I just dont understand how it is possible



Thread: turkish to english please

2972.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 01:24 am

Quoting valeria:

BEBEĞİM ÇOK ÖZÜRDİLERİM ELİM YANLIŞ BİR DÜĞMEYE BASMIŞ.....SENİ SEVİYORUM KADINIM



Baby I am very sorry. My hand seems to have touched the wrong button. I love you my woman.



Thread: T 2 E lutfen some small ones. been out all day no dicionary.

2973.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 01:20 am

Quoting Alisaxxx:

Evening TC


Sen simdi ne yapmak ----- sekerim benim seni öptüm.
You now what to do? (BAD grammar). My cuty, I kiss you

Dikat etmek sen çünkü çok kötü bu gün yagmur yagmak kendi ne dikkat canim benim sana bir sey olmazsin.
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Take care you, because today to rain a very bad rain. Be careful to yourself my dear, so nothing may happen to you.

Simdi ne yapmal sen aşkim çok seviyorum sensiz olmuyor baby.
Simdi now what to do. You love, I love, it doesnt happen without you baby.

Aşkim bu gün nasilsin beni unutun mi ? Neden text yok senden beni özlenedin mi ? Yoksa seni seviyorum iyi aksamlar bebek kalbinde sen varsin.

My love how are you to doday, did you forget me? Why no text from you, didnt you miss me? Or.. I love you, good evening baby, in my heart there is you.

Sorry ben out all day, phone off. Bad weather thats why all these text.



I dont know what sort of Turkish this is :-S Looks as someone who either doesnt know Turkish or is 3 years old :-S



Thread: turkish piece of paper

2974.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 01:14 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

pls, tell me the phenomen of kadisha if arab women were opressed badly before islam. who told you those fairy tales, deli kizin? what was your proof? how come then there was a successful woman kadisha, and there wasnt ANY at all after she died?
btw, those arab women enjoyed their freedom until islam came and banned them from anything!
those pagan arabs (wild desert camel holders) wosrhipped different goddesses. that must be then a huge opression, deli kizin!?



I read them in 'scientifical' books about İslam, written by non-islamic people. They are true, for as far as 'İnvestigations' on matters with view written material from these times can be true, and they do not oppose your ideas at all, as for a big part I agree on them too.

When talking of Khadija, first we must realize that she was a widow, so maybe her fortune came from the MAN she was married with before, secondly, there are always exceptions to the rule , there have been more successful women after her, I believe Aisha to be one of them but I a not sure.

I am not saying I dont understand the opposing pagan Meccans to Muhammad's message, as he wished to change their tribal ancestor-based sunnah to a sunnah based upon one omni-potent God, nor do I say İslam is something GOOD for women. Im just saying some things are understandable from the historical perspectives, and therefore should be looked upon again with recent perspectives



Thread: turkish piece of paper

2975.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:49 am

Quoting SERA_2005:

I for one resent the use of the world 'backward' here if you are refering to countries in comparison to the 'western world' then there are certainly more appropriate terms which could be used instead of this insult and demeaning one.



I am sorry, I in no way meant it to be as an insult or demeaning. I translated it from the Dutch word to English and the Dutch word doesnt necesarily have to have negative connotations. Sorry for the confusion, I meant it in the way of görece az gelişmiş.



Thread: Please help with these verbs and their objects!

2976.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:44 am

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Deli_kizin i am not sure if you checked it already. I just want to remind. see you



Yes İ did, ama o kadar acelem vardı ki cevap vermeye unutmuşum. But thanks a lot, I printed them and read them in the train, now I know them all



Thread: turkish piece of paper

2977.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:43 am

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Why are you debating on a belief Apha. Its needless.



Sen de bu tartışmaya katılmışsın ama Its always good to talk about ones beliefs and learn others. Ama birbirmimize karşı açık olmalıyız, bir de kendimize açık olmalıyız. İnsan bazen yanlış şeylere inanıyor.

Ben dine karşı değilim, ama kesinlikle dinin yanında da değilim. Allah iyi bir tanrıysa, ben iyi bir yaşam yaşıyorsam, ne gerek var ki. Ama yine de, sizin dininiz de sizin açınızdan anlayıp öğrenmek istiyorum. Bu kadar



Thread: turkish piece of paper

2978.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:37 am

Quoting AlphaF:

If the following idiots could not see the way he pointed to...can anyone blame Muhammad or Islam?



Well, that is what I am saying. Many of the things in Quran are understandable from a historic perspective. But for backward countries, which Turkey belongs to in some matters, it is about time that they forget the historic perspective and start looking from a humanic or democratic perspective.

And the prophet is indeed said never to have beaten his wife, and to live a very pious life. But how can we be sure? None of the sources was written in the time he was alive, and even then only written by people who supported him. Information around the (nearly venerated!) prophet, are hardly to be trusted or thought to be overall true, but enjoyable to read and a good guidance for people.



Thread: turkish piece of paper

2979.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:23 am

Quoting Umut_Umut:

The Qur’an provides women with explicit rights to inheritance, independent property, divorce and the right to testify in a court of law. It prohibits wanton violence towards women and girls and is against duress in marriage and community affairs.



This is all nice and well, but:

1. A woman inherits much less than a man. Yes, in old times men were supposed to look afte rthe women (financially, property etc) , but these times have changed and women have become able to be self-sufficient and thus are entitled to an equal share, which no longer fits the rules of İslamic Law.
2. A man can easily divorce, TALAQ, by saying so in 3 seperate times with 2 male witnesses. For a woman, the whole process is much more complicated and becomes nearly impossible when she is pregnant.
3. A Muslim man is allowed to marry with a woman from The Book, but a Muslim woman is not, as the child will be brought up with the religion of the father. However, this shows how patriarchistic İslamic culture is.
4. Wali Muybir: a father is allowed to pre-arrange a marriage for its daughter. There are several clausules who make it hard to let her marry against her will, but the possibility is there.


It is so easy to say that women are granted rights in Quran, without looking at how these are lived in the daily practice.

Im not saying all these as an attack to İslam, or even Turkey, but they should be re-considered by those who do everything in the name of Allah.



Thread: turkish piece of paper

2980.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 19 Nov 2007 Mon 12:15 am

I believe it to be true that İslam brought the women of THAT TIME several rights that they did not have before. But we must place everything in the perspective of time and though those changes at that time might have been a great improvement, that doesnt subsequently mean that women and men have equal rights in İslamic countries these days. That opens a second dilemma: the difference between the İslam as written in the Qur'an, as projected in the prophets Sunnah and as the İslamic Law Şaira, opposed to how governments, politics treat it.

Yes, İslam may have brought improvement of the status of women at the time, but that doesnt deny that at a trial where witnesses are needed, a woman only counts as half a şahit, meaning that when 4 witnesses are required, this either means 4 men or 8 women.
It doesnt deny that according to İslamic Marital Law, a woman is not alowed to 'marry down', she can only marry a man of the same or higher status than her, but she is not allowed to marry a man with a lower status. This implies the men has to be equal or HİGHER, but in no respect LOWER status than the woman.

I am not saying that every muslim believes that men are twice as much worth as women, eventhough it is written in Quran like that. When time changes, concepts of religion change too, and it may come to us as if some surahs will not be fitting in our time anymore.

On the other hand, both westeners and easteners have wrong ideas, or interpretations from several verses. Westeners should that Muslims are barbaric and unfaithful as they are allowed to marry up to 4 women, muslim men read these verses and take 4 women. However, if one reads further than burnun ucundan, the Quran states that marriage with more than one woman is ONLY allowed, when you can give EQUAL care to these women, which, Allah also says, is İMPOSSİBLE, how much in your breast you may wish it. In other words, Quran says a man is not allowed to marry more than one woman.


However, what FF and many others are trying to defend, is the position of women in many İslamic countries. They are oppressed, abused and all under the idea of İSLAM. I do not wish people to convert to any other religion, but I do wish people who are rightly guided Muslims, to stand up and say that that is not their islam, but merely an effect of culture, which has to and should be changed.



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