This aggressive attack on Islamic values and insult to those who are most revered in Islam is way way out of line, and VERY much against Forum Rules.

I think the reason the "rules" were implemented was to prohibit just such activity. There isn't enough time or space here to get into religious debate. It's a very deep subject and few here are educated enough to delve into it.

One thing for sure is you don't see in Turkey are the elderly abandoned to Senior care facilities while their children have "more important" things to do. Children enjoy the love and care of an extended family/village, not profit driven child care centers. Food is created by people who have an interest in the health of those who partake of it, not the profit of the sale of a manufactured for profit commodity.

Think about it.

"So you are saying that your cousin was in an impossible relationship because his wife was unattractive? So is that the risk he took in marrying her, that she looked like a toad?????

And the pretty people….what was they risk they took…marrying someone who hogged the mirror more than they did???

I'm confused. "

No place in my post did I say anything like that. I simply reported a case where a handsome man and an unattractive woman have been happily married for 40 years. IOW looks are not the decisive factor in the success of a marriage.

In the last paragraph, the first sentence I said love requires one be open to taking risks.....

If you build a wall around your heart too much, you loose much more. I say take a chance on love. I have seen the most impossible relationships work, and the most promising ones fail.

The most important thing to look at are your life goals and what maps you are using to get there. If you are heading to the same destination, you have a better chance for success.

I have a cousin who is, or was georgous...his wife looked like a toad. They have been together 40 years. Another couple were like two models, the marriage didn't last.

Love requires being willing to take risks.

It looks like another one? What is this with all these oil spills in one week?Tanker Spills Oil in Black Sea Strait

I think the solution to stopping sex trade trafficking is in training in how to recognize when a person is willing or forced.

Of course, the ladies HAVE to appear to encourage customers, but they are forced to do that. Learning to recognize who is there by choice, and who is not, is the key.

There have been numerous cases of "clients" freeing the captives.

Folks, you will not get rid of prostitution. It has been around longer than any of us, and will be around much longer than any of us. It's the law of supply and demand.

The poor people who are forced into the situation are the real tragedy. However, as hard as it may be for you to understand, there are some people who actually choose the profession and like it as it pays quite well.

I think the best thing is to figure out a way to control it, and the Turkish legal brothel seems to be a good compromise. Although they might not be legal in England, don't for a second think they don't exist. They are legal in Holland and Germany. The US state of Nevada has legal prostitution as well, and there has been efforts to legalize it in other parts of the USA.

I think the best thing is for the clients to be observant to the conditions of the establishment and on the look out for any signs of coercion. In order to know what to look for they need to be made aware of the signs of coercive sex trade. Then there are some who wouldn't mind or would actually enjoy that aspect.

One of the ways to help along this path would be to remove the stigma from the profession. The saddest thing is when there is a raid and the poor people who have been forced into the trade are branded as a "whore" and denied immigration status. They should be given sanctuary IMHO.

I did a little search and found this....

legal prostitution

The way some get around this is via a type of marriage called

Muta marriage

It is a controversial topic, but I've even seen some say if a condom was used, they really didn't do zinna. Same thing I heard once with a Saudi who was drinking scotch. His reply was that the Quran talked about wine.

It is a Shia practice and legal in Iran today, from what I've heard...

And you, as usual, didn't understand my answer. Read it again and think about it. By the way it's spelled Eastern, not estern. Have you heard of spell check?

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting alameda: Quoting kafesteki kus: I just got an email from my Turkish female friend,it upset me a bit and brought up the question "What happens to a woman who can't have children in Turkey from social point of view?" Is it a reason to divorce?or to be somehow condemned?or even receive a lot of pressure from a family???? how much is medical treatment in such cases ?Are such women supported in any way? anyway,if someone would provide me with answers,I would really appreciate.Thank you... I think if you got married with the intention to have children, it would be a cause for divorce anyplace. If you marry without that intention, of course, it would not be a cause. Most people get married with the intention of starting a family. i doubt if you understood the question. like usual of course. couples in estern (more than 99%) marry intending to have children. so if a woman is not able to get pregnant is it a reason for a man to leave such woman. so what is your point? you actually didnt answer the question.