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Thread: Armenians-Turks

3281.       alameda
3499 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 09:03 pm

Regarding Cyprus...here's a post I made a while ago...

It might be interesting to look at what else was going on regarding Greece and Turkey at the time.

1955 - Greek Cypriots begin guerrilla war against British rule. The guerrilla movement, the National Organisation of Cypriot Combatants (EOKA), wants enosis (unification) with Greece.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1021835.stm

For more history....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cyprus
>--------------------------------------------------<
Here's another link about the history of who owned Cyprus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Cypriot_history



Thread: Global Warming.......you concerned ????

3282.       alameda
3499 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 04:25 am

Quoting tranwell:

In this ever warming climate, i tend to wonder if anyone is at all concerned.Addressed from the west, we tend to look at the eastern nations as the main sufferer.However i think the whole situation has got out of control.Should we really be concerned, or alike the USA..........shelve the matter and concentrate on their own manufacturing industries.I am quite concerned,let me know your views.



I am concerned about it, and think it's one of the most important issues confronting humanity today. In fact, the disastrous treatment of the environment concerns me.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

3283.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Oct 2007 Mon 08:47 pm

"None of my business" and who nominated you the TC police here."

I said it is none of our business...meaning the US government's business.

" You know nothing about my heritage or personal life, so
please don't assume I have nothing to do with Turkey or Armenians."

Your personal life is not the issue, International relations is the issue. As to your personal heritage or personal life. I don't know anything about it, and I don't care to. It is not the issue here.

"This is a public forum and I have every right to give my opinion. I see you never took your etiquette class yet."

I never stated you have no right to give your opinion. It seems nobody could stop you from inflicting your opinions anyway. Personal opinion is the problem. How about analysis based on a study of all sides of the issue? Hmmm...personal attacks....?

'Not every American is ignorant you would like to think and stated regarding this subject."

I did not say every American is ignorant, but most are quite uneducated regarding history, geography and international relations...and that's a fact.

"I happen to have friends who are Turkish who live here in the states and also are ashamed of Turkey's stand on the geonicide. Thankfully, they are in a country which allows for their opinion to be heard not imprisioned."

Like the free speach in designated "free speach zones"? You have gotten personal. I'm talking about cold facts. In the US we have more than enough issues to deal with. We don't need to be the World Police.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

3284.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Oct 2007 Mon 08:18 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Why is it significant whether the US government “condemns” the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians?

It is significant because to this day, while most of the rest of the world acknowledges the historical truth of the Armenian Genocide, Turkey continues to deny that it happened......

Denial is the last and final stage of Genocide. To allow a country such as Turkey to rewrite history and deny the truth on a matter of such great magnitude is to allow those who would commit atrocities in places like Darfur to believe that they can get away with their evil. Hitler looked back at the Armenian Genocide and said, “Who today remembers the annihilation of the Armenians?”

To me the question is Turkey, really, what’s the problem with admitting it was a genocide? It’s not like Japan went under when it admitted the horrendous things they did to the Korean, Chinese, and Japanese “comfort women” from WWII.



Teaschip1....

I edited your very long message...

1 It's not any of our business. Let Turkey and Armenia figure it out.

2 The fact is that all the facts are NOT known.

3 Turkey is being asked to just accept the matter based on reportings from only one side of the matter, not both sides.

This is NOT a simple issue, it's very complicated. This was during WWI when 20 million people died in the conflict...not only Armenians who sided with Russia and fought against the Ottomans.

Not a few "Armenian Genocide" websites are calling the Treaty of Sèvres binding. That would make the Treaty of Lausanne invlaid. Making the Treaty of Lausanne invalid would seriously compromise the Republic of Turkey.

Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that this is stage one of asking for repatriations and concession of Turkish territory. It is a push towards the institution of the Greater Armenia.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

3285.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Oct 2007 Sun 11:10 pm

Yes dear AEnigma III, this is it. I'm surprised it IS being discussed here and not deleted, as I thought politics was one of those forbidden topics here. I must say though given the world situation today, it's hard not to touch on those forbidden topics. :-S

Quoting AEnigma III:

Having been away a few days, I must admit I am suprised to see that there has NOT been deep discussion about the subjects floading our news lately. Have the topics been deleted?

Where is discussion about the Turkish government's request to send the Turkish Army into northern Iraq?

Where is discussion about US House of Representative's vote on Armenians?

Is this it?!?!?!



Thread: Armenians-Turks

3286.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Oct 2007 Sun 08:00 pm

Very interesting Marion. I didn't know they went that far with harassing people. It appears Turkish politicians may have underestimated the persistence, organization and vitriol of the "Armenian genocide" activists. Most Americans are totally ignorant of the issue and don't find it important enough to pursue. Even then at that, in watching this issue unfold for a few years, I am amazed at how sources (wikipedia) has been edited in favor of the Armenian and Kurdish separatist interests. It is almost a daily event. There is a proliferation of websites advocating the Armenian side.

The issue of others making money off of the issue is serious, but there is another issue and that is one of territory and assets. It seems there are some who even go so far as to claim the Sevr Treaty is still valid.

As always, there is a convergence of interests. Some are up front and visible, some are not. If you look at just what territory they are interested in, you will notice it takes in some very valuable property. Very importantly are Lake Van,the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates, which both the Armenian interests and Kurdish separatists have laid claim to.

This is an important issue that has to be dealt with. It's like a gangrenous sore that is infecting the whole body.



Thread: Ramazan and Seker Bayrami in space

3287.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Oct 2007 Sat 06:14 pm

What I'm seeing here seems to be, in essence, a question of semantics. Prayer is defined in Christianity differently than Islam.

In Islam there is Salat, which is the formally proscribed 5 times a day prayer. It includes a set series of formal steps. One must take formal ablution, find a clean place to make the salat That has given rise to the prayer carpets so loved for their beautiful design. The prayer rug is kept clean so as to offer a Muslim a clean place to make salat. The Muslim then determines the correct position of Mecca and goes through a series of body positions. The body positions help to keep the body flexible and in good health.

In the case some of these are not available, allowances are made. For instance, if one can't bend, they can sit. In these cases reference to a teacher is sought so as to understand how to fulfill one's obligation to the best of their ability.

There is in Islam, also what is called dhua, which is probably closer to what Christians consider prayer. Dhua can take place in any situation and does not include the formality of salat.



Thread: Types of Jobs in Turkey for Americans

3288.       alameda
3499 posts
 12 Oct 2007 Fri 02:00 am

Quoting mey0722:

Not to be rude, but is anybody actually going to address my question with any amount of seriousness?



I think unless you are fluent in Turkish, and have some needed and very special skills not available in Turkey, you will have a very difficult time finding employment in Turkey.

There is already an unemployment issue there.



Thread: To refraise this, lets talk about love.

3289.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Oct 2007 Wed 10:43 pm

Quoting portokal:

Quoting alameda:

Gee Gabbriy, I wouldn't worry about one's physical endowments, rather worry about what is in your heart, soul and mind. The most beautiful and well endowed women have had some of the most tragic lives. Marlyn Monroe was very attractive woman, who had a very tragic love life. Britney Spears life thus far leaves little to envy, IMHO being physically beautiful can be a real curse.

Quoting Gabbriy:

I know I don't want to attract men...*sigh* but having a small butt and very small curves and ok big boobs but not real big can be quite bothersome. Men don't slap small butts or stair at not big boobs, or eye their curveless bodies, unless they are anorexic lovers but then that's just disgusting. XP





therefore we should look more like...



Hmmm....I that would depend on just what you want to attract. IMHO being well groomed would top the list. Then, being somewhat neat and well coordinated. Look for shapes, patterns and colors that work well with one's size, shape and coloring. Actually, there is quite voluminous material on this subject.



Thread: To refraise this, lets talk about love.

3290.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Oct 2007 Wed 09:28 pm

Gee Gabbriy, I wouldn't worry about one's physical endowments, rather worry about what is in your heart, soul and mind. The most beautiful and well endowed women have had some of the most tragic lives. Marlyn Monroe was very attractive woman, who had a very tragic love life. Britney Spears life thus far leaves little to envy, IMHO being physically beautiful can be a real curse.

Quoting Gabbriy:

I know I don't want to attract men...*sigh* but having a small butt and very small curves and ok big boobs but not real big can be quite bothersome. Men don't slap small butts or stair at not big boobs, or eye their curveless bodies, unless they are anorexic lovers but then that's just disgusting. XP





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