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Thread: Feel-good German film says multiculturalism not dead

221.       vineyards
1954 posts
 28 Feb 2011 Mon 01:39 am

This whole thing works like this, if you are a European elsewhere, you expect the natives to learn your ways and your language too. As long as you have the hard cash to spend you can´t be bothered with visas or stuff like that. Foreigners meanwhile are not welcome in Europe in the first place. If they must live in Europe, they must accept being thoroghly assimilated since this assimilation is a benign process after all. Having said that no matter how assimilated you may think you have become, you must accept being different, more dangerous and less welcome compared to an ordinary citizen.

Yesterday, there was multiculturalism, today it has just died. The new slogan is monoculturalism. God only knows what tomorrow will bring...

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Thread: Germany hits back in row with Turkey over sphinx

222.       vineyards
1954 posts
 28 Feb 2011 Mon 01:29 am

German Museums are full of artifacts either stolen or taken from other countries.

*Zeus temple was stolen by Germans and sold to Greeks to be reconstructed in Athens.

*Zeus temple in Bergama was also taken by the German archeologists in line with a weird agreement which they claim entitled them to take the finds to Germany.

*A number of Egyptian artifacts either captured or taken for repairs have never been returned.

 

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Thread: In need of songs please

223.       vineyards
1954 posts
 10 Feb 2011 Thu 01:48 am

True but such a song will only augment her pain. In my opinion, you could help her more if you spend time with her and show her that you care.



Thread: Native Americans

224.       vineyards
1954 posts
 09 Feb 2011 Wed 03:12 am

Years ago I read a book entitled Rip Van Winkle. Since it has been like 25 years, I can´t remember the whole story but there is something I learned from the book: Don´t mess with the Dutch women or they may turn this world into hell for you.

 

All joking aside, I hope this will arouse some interest to give that book a go.



Thread: Native Americans

225.       vineyards
1954 posts
 01 Feb 2011 Tue 04:18 am

Well, I have heard many such unsubstantiated claims such as:

Hungarians are Turks

Hunns are Turks

Bulgarians are Turks

Indians are Turks

Finns are related to Turks.

The truth is that Turks are not a single community, a race or a religious group. The larger Turkic family includes people who are linguistically similar to one another. As for the Turks in Turkey, there are Circassians, Georgians, Azeris, Iranians,Tartars, Abhazas, Albanians, Greeks, Armanians, Lazians, Kurds, Bosnians, Slavs, Arabs, Macedonians, Berberis even Italians (through slavery etc) living in Turkey. Some of the larger groups are aware of their ethnic roots and differences since they have a native language other than Turkish or active links with the countries where they came from. There could be a handful of Indians in Turkey but tracing them in the unfathomable depths of the past will probably not yield any clues.

 

Even if Indians are not Turks or Turkic, they are respectable people who taught the rest of the world´s people great lessons about how to coexist with nature. 



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Thread: Political Views Of Authors

226.       vineyards
1954 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 04:33 pm

I noticed you are also rejecting the pro-freedom aspect of art. Anyway, that list is in no way an authoritative one and it only reflects my personal opinions. I just did not want to copy a tombstone list made by some untouchable art authority. 

As for the pro-freedom aspect of art; it is more like an inferred quality than a purposefully designed element. I consider art as a justification of personal merit or value or the reason of the deeds one commits oneself to. Additionally, art may also convey a good or an ugly aspect of an object or a deed. Nevertheless, in all these cases there must be an attitude which may linked to an ethic standard which renders the work the way it is. All ethic systems have certain universal aspects which evolve by time. Freedom is one such quality. As long as you evaluate a work of art within the time paranthesis, you will see no violation of this last rule.

More correctly then there are a number of inferred qualities pertaining to art. These reflect the higher values of society based on the time frame in question. Pro-freedom is an inferred quality and therefore it is expected to exist in all contemporary art.



Thread: Political Views Of Authors

227.       vineyards
1954 posts
 31 Jan 2011 Mon 04:11 am

Universal means appreciated, liked or understood by all humans. Religious art is also universal. All around the world the works of religious communities are considered the common assets of all humans. That is why they are universal. 

For example, while not a Christian myself, I adore mosaics depicting Christ and Virgin Mary. I consider any kind of devotion including the religious one as valuable and respectable. For example, the cultural assets of the Indians do not concern only themselves but the entire humanity. Their religion, Gods they worshipped isnpired them to cling together to weave a priceless civilization. 

As for humanism: think of it like this, the humanist tenet does not reject or work against religion. It just puts the emphasis on human and not on God if you like. You don´t have to be an atheist to be a humanist. It is just a flavour of thinking. It refuses the sanctions put by religion on human mind. In my opinion therefore, one could believe in something, go to church or prey God and he can be a humanist as well. Todays religions and clergies are more humanistic than they ever have been. 



Thread: Political Views Of Authors

228.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Jan 2011 Sat 09:09 pm

We can make a short list of qualities describing art and artistry:

Aesthetic

Creative

Complete

Universal

Humanistic

Virtuous

Politicaly benign

Inspiring

Pro-freedom

Provocative

Pro-advancement

 

If a work of art lives up to these standards there must be no doubt about its artistic qualities. If you do not possess these attributes as a person, you cannot produce works of art. 

 

 

 



Thread: Polat will take the revenge of Blue Marmara

229.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Jan 2011 Sat 08:59 pm

This has been the name of the game for years. 

Quoting barba_mama

The problem with these kinds of movies is that people think that this is reality. They have used a real story, and used this as a base for a movie script. It remains a movie however, with big dramatizations, and even things that never happened. But do the people in the cinema realize this, or will they form an opinion based on a movie, made to create money for the studio-owners?

 

 



Thread: Polat will take the revenge of Blue Marmara

230.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Jan 2011 Sat 04:04 pm

Well, we don´t like the cheap Hollywood movies do we? We don´t like the Israeli propoganda machine pushing these cheap productions either. We know exactly what we don´t like: it is satanizing, demonizing, mocking, ridiculing, misrepresenting people and their cultures. You know the magic word in the Israeli mindset is retaliation. We are using their technique against them. This will turn us into Israelis. No matter how hard it seems to prove a point internationally, we shouldn´t be seeking retaliation by putting aside tolerance and wisdom.

 

 

 

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