There are two competing arguments:

-Every nation has the right to exercise sovereignity in her territory.

-Every person has a right to travel around the world.

The first one is a derived freedom. It necessitates the presence of state coercion complete with all the necessary organs to initiate, maintain, control and exercise authority. It is derived from the notion of sovereignity. Accordingly, travel freedom hits this brick wall. It is an arbitrary decision but the practical reasons are usually the presence of certain potentials for danger, economic loss, impact on social order and welfare etc.

The second freedom is also a derived freedom. It is more universal than the former. Nevertheless, it is nowhere as strongly established as the first tenet.

Politicians and bureucrats specialize in using the uncovered spaces between conflicting orders to use them to their own advantages. Once the Ottoman passport was one of the most respected documents in the world. Later on, political conjuncture and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire following the rise of the nationalist sentiment in Europe (and elsewhere later on), what is remained from once might empire was not granted  similar respect. Since, the empire was effectively robbed off all its wealth as a result of relentless fighting on all its fronts, its people were also languished, in need of jobs. This coincided with the expansion which was a result of rapid reconstruction of Germany in the 60´s. Millions of Turks went to Germany and settled down there after gaining citizenship. This posed a great threat to Germany. They needed to stop the build up of an enourmous Turkish population in their country. So, they made it practically impossible for any Turk who could potentially may with to find a job and settle down in Turkey. They also complained heavily of the poor performance of assimilation the Turks in their country have been showing.

These people closed all the doors for other Turks who would go to Germany as tourists. It was not Turkey´s mistake. It was more like their own mistake. Maybe, they did not have any other way at that point but they are now bearing the consequences of having a massive Turkish population in their country.

In my opinion, the second freedom is actually more important that the first one. However, since there are so many potential abusers, the free travel issue is like a nightmare for most European governments. They would do everything to stop it.

That means thry can´t be fair to everyone. If you are a German citizen, you can pack your things and book your flight and hit the road wherever the destination maybe. Because you are automatically a reliable person. Even if you want to settle down in another country, it is just a matter of putting the money on the table. Presently, countries like Turkey are considered as slam areas. No matter how rich we get, there will always be the same stereotypes. As a result, we opt for the best bet, if they don´t like you, don´t go to their country. When you run into one in your country, you are bound to show hospitality and this is called good relations. Well, I hope our children can agree on a fairer solution. 

In my opinion, if someone issues an order entailing the death of a person without trial, he is by all means a murderer.It doesn´t matter if that person is a president. Even at wartime, there are rules governing how the sides can engage one another. The procedures of surrender and the way hostages (POW) must be treated are clearly laid out by way of international treaties.

The US is known to have violated these rules extensively.

In 1992, the American naval forces fired at the Turkish destroyer Muavenet causing the deaths of 5 officers and injuring 22 others during a naval exercise held in Turkey´s territorial waters. The rocket system that destroyed Muvenet is impossible to activate without multiple permissions and orders. In 1993, a group of Turkish officers prosecuted the US Navy. The court categorized this incident as a matter of foreign policy turning the case into a dead end.

We all remember the way the US entered Iraq following false accusations regarding the chemical weapon capabilities of Saddam Hussein regime. No one is talking about Iraq anymore. The country has been conveniently turned into a quagmire.

The US is now threatening Iran accusing them because of their nuclear energy program. We also know what is happening in Libya.

Osama was given the weapons and a pat on the shoulder by the US during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. He defended the same cause and was regarded as a good Muslim then. Later on, he became the bad Muslim. If the US did not get involved in these organizations as a principle, there would probably be no Osama at all.

These violations of the international laws will eventually take us to a war. As a rule, no good comes out of malicious activities. Wars begin like avalanches, first a snow ball then a huge catastrophy. No matter what you have to say, I believe there are worse criminals in high places than those in the streets.

"America can do whatever we set our mind to."

This summarizes all. America is still going strong with its patriotic line. The only difference under Obama is the way things are reflected to the public.

Ocalan, the Kurdish rebel leader who is directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people was captured in Kenya, brought to Turkey and has been serving in prison ever since.

The commandos who captured him could fill his body with bullets, I can imagine they were also full of feelings of hatread and vengeance but they didn´t. This is the difference between the European and American notions of civil rights.

I would imagine, the US was afraid of the things Obama would reveal was he given a chance to go through a fair trial. We are not aware how the whole operation was handled. Was there really no way to capture them alive. Like it is always the case, the corpses in leaked pictures seem to have received multiple bullet injuries in close range.

Now the big question is: wouldn´t it be so much better to capture the terrorists alive and question them to get information on their network etc. Only a government who has intimate knowledge about the acts and plans of a terror organization could afford to lose that information.

Most people will say justice is served. We should add to that: "by medieval standards."

Life is funny. I read the holy Quran and after having read the parts refering to women´s role in society; I decide, what is written in this holy book cannot be the word of God. I respect women the best I can, and they respect the mightiest men in their reach due to their hormones and upbringing. What is human other than what he knows or capable of thinking. We are just a few soul who have waken up to the inadequacy of the so called sacred wisdom in creeating perfect society.

Yet since all human are the same physically and mentally though not necessarily knowledge wise, I can only respect their choices in an area I am not afraid to confess, I am not more illuminated than even the most ignorant of them all.

When the towers were on fire after the crashes, I was in Kadiköy getting my computer monitor repaired. The whole thing was live on TV and people were watching the developments with sheer attention; then when the first building began collapsing I noticed the shop keeper next door was shouting slogans and saying he would arrange a drummer (for entertainment) to celebrate what had just happened. It felt like a human misery then. All these statements by the president and details that follow, the slogans shouted in the streets still feel the same way: human misery. That the men and women jumping out from the windows to death was one big human misery.

We are killing in the name of Allah or Jesus and making serious statements about the kill. Vengeance has been taken, the sky is blue and life is happy. Tomorrow, there will be another villain. There will always be make-believe elections. An enemy is always needed. Even if there is none, somebody will create one.

We will always be incurably backward and monsterous.

Just a lot of hot air. I don´t even take this project seriously.

Turkey is a developing country with limited resources. We have so far been unable to connect our major cities with good quality rail roads and/or motor ways. There is a huge economic gap between the eastern and western parts of Turkey. Starting a project of this caliber will serve just a bunch of real estate speculators and construction companies.

Thanks for your suggestion.

Presently, bilingual posts are possible (English-Turkish). English is the main language of this site. Therefore, even if Turkish can be used, an English summary should also be provided.

We could ask the admin, if he could open an all-Turkish forum.

The downside of having a Turkish only page would be the difficulty of controlling the level. It will probably be exclusively used by Turkish users and a few learners with advanced command of Turkish. Under the circumstances, it will probably be as helpful as any Turkish language forum not specifically meant for the learners of the language.

We must also find Turkish moderators and their activities will probably be out of the reach of foreign admins/mods. As you see there are a number of potential problems but since there is a demand for a Turkish page, I will pas this on to the admin. Maybe, he has already been following this conversation.

We have no intention like prioritizing one language over another. 

I feel cold.

Well, most young people carry a labeling machine in their skulls. Since it is a lot easier to think using icons, they tag these labels on people so that they can judge them without having to learn about them first. So, in those circles I will probably pass for a patriotic person.

Ironically, many people here consider me as a patriotic Turk.