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25 Jan 2007 Thu 01:24 am |
Quoting aenigma x: Your patriotism is rather endearing. Maybe we criticise our own countries too much? |
Well generally sometimes people do pick out the bad parts about the country they live in because they are so used to it. Thats why when people go on holdiday, to Turkey for example, they say they love etc because it is so different from where they live.
So I don't think anyone can criticize the country they live in too much, after all they know more bad things that happen than they do compare to people that don't live therw
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25 Jan 2007 Thu 05:44 am |
Just a comment away from all the discussion here, cuz dont have time to read rest of discussion... but see how a smuggler escapes a sentence of life in jail and wite a book that he later turns it into a film, damn cool. but so many behind it. such a person can lie, or even make up things to make the story interesting, and he can write anything he want. um, so, hmm, wht to say now... how about i watch movie first .. oh i forgot, it's on delivery already
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25 Jan 2007 Thu 06:36 am |
There is no intention to attack Turkey here. Pointing out social injustice should be done anywhere it happens. I am not talking about Turkey specifically here. However, Turks, Americans, English, Spanish, Mexicans etc. (only done for example purposes), and all others should be willing to take a look at their own country through the eyes of others sometimes. Because often others can see what we ignore. While we deplore Hollywood's exaggerations at times, often it is Hollywood that has brought international attention to social issues. There is good and bad in all!
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25 Jan 2007 Thu 09:48 am |
Screenplay by OLIVER STONE.
From Netflix: "High-profile films such as Wall Street, JFK and Nixon sparked debates among critics and historians but earned many awards, while Stone's later films (Natural Born Killers, U Turn, Any Given Sunday and Alexander) were criticized for their excess."
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25 Jan 2007 Thu 11:02 am |
Quoting metehan2001:
I really didn't understand caliptrix's intention for sending that post. But I think my messages were very clear. I request pople just a little emphaty towards us when they critisize. Place yourselves in our place and try to understand our feelings. Perhaps, that's true, an American can critisize Mr. Bush mercilessly in USA, but still we know that if an Arab American citizen does that his/her life will become a hell.
I am not a chauvinist as somebody claimed, but as I said I just like my country, people, cultur and there is nothing to be ashamed of in our history. These are don't make somebody chauvinist. At the same time I believe in the equality among the humans and I don't feel enemity toward any nation. I hope I explained my thoughts clearer this time.
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It was just an interview to watch. I didn't say anything good or bad about Midnight Express film. I know that members of Turkish Class website don't hate Turkey. If you watch it completely, you can get the main idea of that scenerio, and Oliver Stone has changed something because he also wanted to make a film that could make much more money.
Maybe there are friends of the members of TC who have watched that film and had bad ideas about Turkey, they can show this interview for the backgroud of the film. That's it.
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25 Jan 2007 Thu 03:07 pm |
I thought this thread was about a bloody film, and how it over dramatised a situation, not to start another "you are all critising Turkey" which of course no one is. So can we all move on please before this thread gets locked.
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02 Feb 2007 Fri 05:29 pm |
Well...there does seem to be an extreme sensitivity on the part of many people here to *anything* that criticizes Turkey in any way.
On the other hand:
Prison in Turkey is not pleasant. There is still plenty of abuse of prisoners. There was even more then. I have several friends who were tortured in prison. I don't know anyone who was tortured in prison in the U.S. Though recently Americans cannot afford to be too smug on that count...
The guy was after all smuggling drugs out of Turkey. If you are going to do something like that, you better damn well know the consequences. If you do, and you get caught, it's a bit late to complain about how bad prison was.
It's Hollywood. They always exaggerate things. They made Billy Hayes into some sort of hero. They conveniently showed him as "too much a man" to have a relationship with the Swedish guy (the truth was quite different), simply because they wanted to gain sympathy of an American audience who was overall turned off by something like that. And of course they turned the prison guards into "larger than life" monsters. Cause that's what Hollywood does.
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02 Feb 2007 Fri 06:47 pm |
Quoting sazji:
The guy was after all smuggling drugs out of Turkey. If you are going to do something like that, you better damn well know the consequences. If you do, and you get caught, it's a bit late to complain about how bad prison was.
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02 Feb 2007 Fri 07:03 pm |
Quoting gezbelle: Quoting kai: but 30 years for smuggling haşiş?
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schapelle corby got 20 years for it in indonesia... |
20 years?!!
I swear some justice systems are unbelieveable! There is this one case I know of, where this woman was cheating on her husband and her husband found out killed them both (his wife and the man she was having an affair with) in a gruesome way and he got 5 years prison sentence.
Another guy was deal drugs (not class A either) and he got sentenced to 7 years! tell me how a clear murderer gets less than a drug dealer?
Ok I agree with sazji about they should be punished for what they did and know the consequences of their actions, but 20/30 years for haşiş? when there is worse crimes going on with less years following the sentences
OOF reminds me of John Reid (who by the way I think is a total idiot!!! - my opinion!)
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02 Feb 2007 Fri 07:14 pm |
Quoting kai: Quoting gezbelle: Quoting kai: but 30 years for smuggling haşiş?
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schapelle corby got 20 years for it in indonesia... |
20 years?!!
I swear some justice systems are unbelieveable! There is this one case I know of, where this woman was cheating on her husband and her husband found out killed them both (his wife and the man she was having an affair with) in a gruesome way and he got 5 years prison sentence.
Another guy was deal drugs (not class A either) and he got sentenced to 7 years! tell me how a clear murderer gets less than a drug dealer?
Ok I agree with sazji about they should be punished for what they did and know the consequences of their actions, but 20/30 years for haşiş? when there is worse crimes going on with less years following the sentences
OOF reminds me of John Reid (who by the way I think is a total idiot!!! - my opinion!) |
a crime is a crime..as the saying goes if you can't do the time don't do the crime..so look forward to the consequences....
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02 Feb 2007 Fri 11:38 pm |
ıts over dramatized film..
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