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Midnight Express Truth
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1.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 08:57 pm

There is an interview with Billy Hayes about the truth of the film Midnight Express.

Click here to see it

2.       kai
0 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:01 pm

I watched that film....the way he descirbes it in that interview I think they over dramatized everything.

3.       azade
1606 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:05 pm

That film is so creepy. I wonder how much is actually true. Yani I know that (most) turkish prisons are bad, especially at the time the film is supposed to take place, but I also know that Hollywood tends to overdramatizise.
My hubby saw it and he wasn't so surprised, actually...

4.       kai
0 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:10 pm

Quoting azade:

That film is so creepy. I wonder how much is actually true. Yani I know that (most) turkish prisons are bad, especially at the time the film is supposed to take place, but I also know that Hollywood tends to overdramatizise.
My hubby saw it and he wasn't so surprised, actually...



you can definatly say the thing about Hollywood overdramatizing again! In the film he was sentenced to 30 years! and in real life he only served 5...though thats because he escaped, but 30 years for smuggling haşiş?

5.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:42 pm

Stands to reason it was dramatised and at the time it upset the Turks quite a lot. But all in all, putting that aside it is one of the most brilliant films of all time! The young actor who played the lead, died of aids several years ago.

And also the prison is now an excusive hotel, The Four Seasons I believe.

6.       KeithL
1455 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:50 pm

He would have never served 30 because Ecevet let them all out....
I'm sure turkish prisons are harsh even today. Its just too bad that sentencing seems to be so light. Like this guy that bombed a McDonalds in Trabzon. How does he get less than a year? Crime in istanbul the last few years has become worrysome...

7.       metehan2001
501 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 11:18 pm

I just admire your capability of finding such topics about Turkey for discussion.
How is the prisoner's condition in your countries? Do they live in 5 star luxury hotels?
Do you like always finding such awful themes about Turkey and discuss them here, in this site? Don't you care that we are also humans, we have honor too as you are? Do you think that how much it hearts us when you start such a discussion? And how much it wounds our pride.
Please, just a little care!..

8.       KeithL
1455 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 11:21 pm

Metahan,
It seems all you do is cry and complain. The people at this site are here because they love Turkey. Rarely if ever have I seen her insulted.

All I can say to you is be a man and grow up. You are an embarassment to your people...

9.       kai
0 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 11:39 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Metahan,
It seems all you do is cry and complain. The people at this site are here because they love Turkey. Rarely if ever have I seen her insulted.

All I can say to you is be a man and grow up. You are an embarassment to your people...



lol well said Keith

No offence Metahan but didn't you realise it was defending Turkey?
The film was so over dramatized, so this interview made the situation sound a hell of a lot better than it did in the film.
Also there are prisons so rough in the whole world...but the main advantage is that we see the people who deserve to be in there....ok not all but a lot.
Also I wonder if you know about the police officers/systems in other countries.
Take the UK for example, just ask the British people what they think of the police system in their country and they won't exactly be the most polite comments in the world if you get my drift
Some police officers are nice but I can tell you I've met many in different countries and you get bad and good in all not just in Turkey!

10.       metehan2001
501 posts
 24 Jan 2007 Wed 11:43 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Metahan,
It seems all you do is cry and complain. The people at this site are here because they love Turkey. Rarely if ever have I seen her insulted.

All I can say to you is be a man and grow up. You are an embarassment to your people...


I think you misunderstood my politeness. I have just been trying to be polite and calling you also to be more polite towards us, I mean Turks.
I am not a crying poor child. I am a man old enough and loving my country, people and its history. I am an academician and intellectual too. I have been in many countries as a teacher. So, I think, I never deserve such a behavior from you. I protest your vulgar behavior and invite you to be more civilized, polite, understanding and humanness.

11.       metehan2001
501 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 12:07 am

Quoting kai:

Quoting KeithL:

Metahan,
It seems all you do is cry and complain. The people at this site are here because they love Turkey. Rarely if ever have I seen her insulted.

All I can say to you is be a man and grow up. You are an embarassment to your people...



lol well said Keith

No offence Metahan but didn't you realise it was defending Turkey?
The film was so over dramatized, so this interview made the situation sound a hell of a lot better than it did in the film.
Also there are prisons so rough in the whole world...but the main advantage is that we see the people who deserve to be in there....ok not all but a lot.
Also I wonder if you know about the police officers/systems in other countries.
Take the UK for example, just ask the British people what they think of the police system in their country and they won't exactly be the most polite comments in the world if you get my drift
Some police officers are nice but I can tell you I've met many in different countries and you get bad and good in all not just in Turkey!



Dear Kai,
Personally,I accept our foreigner friends in this site as our guests and I also like to help them with their questions about Turkey, Turkish culture and language. But don't you think that we deserve a little respect from our lovely guests? I mean, if we go to another country and criticize its people, social life, justice system and history, how they behave towards us? If they remind us that we should have more understanding towards them, should we get angry with and insult them?
I just call everybody to true friendship, sincerety and caring eachother's feelings.

12.       illusion
154 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 12:15 am

Quoting KeithL:

Metahan,
It seems all you do is cry and complain. The people at this site are here because they love Turkey. Rarely if ever have I seen her insulted.

All I can say to you is be a man and grow up. You are an embarassment to your people...
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13.       kai
0 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 12:16 am

Quoting metehan2001:

Quoting kai:

Quoting KeithL:

Metahan,
It seems all you do is cry and complain. The people at this site are here because they love Turkey. Rarely if ever have I seen her insulted.

All I can say to you is be a man and grow up. You are an embarassment to your people...



lol well said Keith

No offence Metahan but didn't you realise it was defending Turkey?
The film was so over dramatized, so this interview made the situation sound a hell of a lot better than it did in the film.
Also there are prisons so rough in the whole world...but the main advantage is that we see the people who deserve to be in there....ok not all but a lot.
Also I wonder if you know about the police officers/systems in other countries.
Take the UK for example, just ask the British people what they think of the police system in their country and they won't exactly be the most polite comments in the world if you get my drift
Some police officers are nice but I can tell you I've met many in different countries and you get bad and good in all not just in Turkey!



Dear Kai,
Personally,I accept our foreigner friends in this site as our guests and I also like to help them with their questions about Turkey, Turkish culture and language. But don't you think that we deserve a little respect from our lovely guests? I mean, if we go to another country and criticize its people, social life, justice system and history, how they behave towards us? If they remind us that we should have more understanding towards them, should we get angry with and insult them?
I just call everybody to true friendship, sincerety and caring eachother's feelings.



But they are not criticizing Turkey as a country just it's justice system. Which a lot of people do about their own country anyway. It's like people cannot say they dislike George W Bush because he is American, though a lot of Americans don't like him just as much :-S
By the way how are they insulting Turkey or its culture or even it's social life by mentioning it's justice system?

14.       zbrct
90 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 12:21 am

unfortunately nationalism sometimes takes the form of chauvinism in Turkey.

15.       metehan2001
501 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 12:33 am

Quote:

But they are not criticizing Turkey as a country just it's justice system. Which a lot of people do about their own country anyway. It's like people cannot say they dislike George W Bush because he is American, though a lot of Americans don't like him just as much :-S
By the way how are they insulting Turkey or its culture or even it's social life by mentioning it's justice system?



In the previous week, there have been many discussions in which people were claiming how badly treated Turkish people towards Armenians, Istanbul Greeks. Some people declared that some part of Turkey should be called as Kurdistan. Today, we are discussing an interview about a film that everybody knows it's main aim is to slander Turkey, in general. I can count more topics , but I think these are enough.

16.       kai
0 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 12:39 am

Quote:

Quoting metehan2001:

But they are not criticizing Turkey as a country just it's justice system. Which a lot of people do about their own country anyway. It's like people cannot say they dislike George W Bush because he is American, though a lot of Americans don't like him just as much :-S
By the way how are they insulting Turkey or its culture or even it's social life by mentioning it's justice system?



In the previous week, there have been many discussions in which people were claiming how badly treated Turkish people towards Armenians, Istanbul Greeks. Some people declared that some part of Turkey should be called as Kurdistan. Today, we are discussing an interview about a film that everybody knows it's main aim is to slander Turkey, in general. I can count more topics , but I think these are enough.



Well people are entitled to their opinions, however harsh it may sound or seem towards Turkey.
Also just to add, did you know the person who posted this thread (caliptrix) is Turkish? So I doubt he will attack his own country.

17.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 12:52 am

Quoting kai:

but 30 years for smuggling haşiş?



schapelle corby got 20 years for it in indonesia...

18.       metehan2001
501 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 01:08 am

Quote:



Well people are entitled to their opinions, however harsh it may sound or seem towards Turkey.
Also just to add, did you know the person who posted this thread (caliptrix) is Turkish? So I doubt he will attack his own country.



I really didn't understand caliptrix's intention for sending that post. But I think my messages were very clear. I request pople just a little emphaty towards us when they critisize. Place yourselves in our place and try to understand our feelings. Perhaps, that's true, an American can critisize Mr. Bush mercilessly in USA, but still we know that if an Arab American citizen does that his/her life will become a hell.
I am not a chauvinist as somebody claimed, but as I said I just like my country, people, cultur and there is nothing to be ashamed of in our history. These are don't make somebody chauvinist. At the same time I believe in the equality among the humans and I don't feel enemity toward any nation. I hope I explained my thoughts clearer this time.

19.       aenigma x
0 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 01:10 am

Your patriotism is rather endearing. Maybe we criticise our own countries too much?

20.       kai
0 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 01:24 am

Quoting aenigma x:

Your patriotism is rather endearing. Maybe we criticise our own countries too much?



Well generally sometimes people do pick out the bad parts about the country they live in because they are so used to it. Thats why when people go on holdiday, to Turkey for example, they say they love etc because it is so different from where they live.
So I don't think anyone can criticize the country they live in too much, after all they know more bad things that happen than they do compare to people that don't live therw

21.       arabianofelix
144 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 05:44 am

Just a comment away from all the discussion here, cuz dont have time to read rest of discussion... but see how a smuggler escapes a sentence of life in jail and wite a book that he later turns it into a film, damn cool. but so many behind it. such a person can lie, or even make up things to make the story interesting, and he can write anything he want. um, so, hmm, wht to say now... how about i watch movie first .. oh i forgot, it's on delivery already

22.       Capoeira
575 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 06:36 am

There is no intention to attack Turkey here. Pointing out social injustice should be done anywhere it happens. I am not talking about Turkey specifically here. However, Turks, Americans, English, Spanish, Mexicans etc. (only done for example purposes), and all others should be willing to take a look at their own country through the eyes of others sometimes. Because often others can see what we ignore. While we deplore Hollywood's exaggerations at times, often it is Hollywood that has brought international attention to social issues. There is good and bad in all!

23.       illusion
154 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 09:48 am

Screenplay by OLIVER STONE.

From Netflix: "High-profile films such as Wall Street, JFK and Nixon sparked debates among critics and historians but earned many awards, while Stone's later films (Natural Born Killers, U Turn, Any Given Sunday and Alexander) were criticized for their excess."

24.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 11:02 am

Quoting metehan2001:



I really didn't understand caliptrix's intention for sending that post. But I think my messages were very clear. I request pople just a little emphaty towards us when they critisize. Place yourselves in our place and try to understand our feelings. Perhaps, that's true, an American can critisize Mr. Bush mercilessly in USA, but still we know that if an Arab American citizen does that his/her life will become a hell.
I am not a chauvinist as somebody claimed, but as I said I just like my country, people, cultur and there is nothing to be ashamed of in our history. These are don't make somebody chauvinist. At the same time I believe in the equality among the humans and I don't feel enemity toward any nation. I hope I explained my thoughts clearer this time.



It was just an interview to watch. I didn't say anything good or bad about Midnight Express film. I know that members of Turkish Class website don't hate Turkey. If you watch it completely, you can get the main idea of that scenerio, and Oliver Stone has changed something because he also wanted to make a film that could make much more money.

Maybe there are friends of the members of TC who have watched that film and had bad ideas about Turkey, they can show this interview for the backgroud of the film. That's it.

25.       libralady
5152 posts
 25 Jan 2007 Thu 03:07 pm

I thought this thread was about a bloody film, and how it over dramatised a situation, not to start another "you are all critising Turkey" which of course no one is. So can we all move on please before this thread gets locked.

26.       sazji
47 posts
 02 Feb 2007 Fri 05:29 pm

Well...there does seem to be an extreme sensitivity on the part of many people here to *anything* that criticizes Turkey in any way.

On the other hand:

Prison in Turkey is not pleasant. There is still plenty of abuse of prisoners. There was even more then. I have several friends who were tortured in prison. I don't know anyone who was tortured in prison in the U.S. Though recently Americans cannot afford to be too smug on that count...

The guy was after all smuggling drugs out of Turkey. If you are going to do something like that, you better damn well know the consequences. If you do, and you get caught, it's a bit late to complain about how bad prison was.

It's Hollywood. They always exaggerate things. They made Billy Hayes into some sort of hero. They conveniently showed him as "too much a man" to have a relationship with the Swedish guy (the truth was quite different), simply because they wanted to gain sympathy of an American audience who was overall turned off by something like that. And of course they turned the prison guards into "larger than life" monsters. Cause that's what Hollywood does.

27.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Feb 2007 Fri 06:47 pm

Quoting sazji:



The guy was after all smuggling drugs out of Turkey. If you are going to do something like that, you better damn well know the consequences. If you do, and you get caught, it's a bit late to complain about how bad prison was.

QUOTE]

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

28.       kai
0 posts
 02 Feb 2007 Fri 07:03 pm

Quoting gezbelle:

Quoting kai:

but 30 years for smuggling haşiş?



schapelle corby got 20 years for it in indonesia...



20 years?!!

I swear some justice systems are unbelieveable! There is this one case I know of, where this woman was cheating on her husband and her husband found out killed them both (his wife and the man she was having an affair with) in a gruesome way and he got 5 years prison sentence.
Another guy was deal drugs (not class A either) and he got sentenced to 7 years! tell me how a clear murderer gets less than a drug dealer?

Ok I agree with sazji about they should be punished for what they did and know the consequences of their actions, but 20/30 years for haşiş? when there is worse crimes going on with less years following the sentences

OOF reminds me of John Reid (who by the way I think is a total idiot!!! - my opinion!)

29.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 02 Feb 2007 Fri 07:14 pm

Quoting kai:

Quoting gezbelle:

Quoting kai:

but 30 years for smuggling haşiş?



schapelle corby got 20 years for it in indonesia...



20 years?!!

I swear some justice systems are unbelieveable! There is this one case I know of, where this woman was cheating on her husband and her husband found out killed them both (his wife and the man she was having an affair with) in a gruesome way and he got 5 years prison sentence.
Another guy was deal drugs (not class A either) and he got sentenced to 7 years! tell me how a clear murderer gets less than a drug dealer?

Ok I agree with sazji about they should be punished for what they did and know the consequences of their actions, but 20/30 years for haşiş? when there is worse crimes going on with less years following the sentences

OOF reminds me of John Reid (who by the way I think is a total idiot!!! - my opinion!)



a crime is a crime..as the saying goes if you can't do the time don't do the crime..so look forward to the consequences....

30.       sea-sun-air
0 posts
 02 Feb 2007 Fri 11:38 pm

ıts over dramatized film..

31.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 05 Feb 2007 Mon 06:35 am

Quoting kai:

Quoting gezbelle:

Quoting kai:

but 30 years for smuggling haşiş?



schapelle corby got 20 years for it in indonesia...



20 years?!!

I swear some justice systems are unbelieveable! There is this one case I know of, where this woman was cheating on her husband and her husband found out killed them both (his wife and the man she was having an affair with) in a gruesome way and he got 5 years prison sentence.
Another guy was deal drugs (not class A either) and he got sentenced to 7 years! tell me how a clear murderer gets less than a drug dealer?

Ok I agree with sazji about they should be punished for what they did and know the consequences of their actions, but 20/30 years for haşiş? when there is worse crimes going on with less years following the sentences

OOF reminds me of John Reid (who by the way I think is a total idiot!!! - my opinion!)



evet 20 years. it caused a huge uproar here in australia. she was tried and convicted of smuggling 4.1kg of cannabis into indonesia.

the drug laws in south-east asia are very strict. i could go into detail why, but that would be going too far off-topic

unfortunately, many tourists/travellers don't pay attention and get caught.

there are 9 other australians (the bali 9) in indonesia who are on death row because they attempted to smuggle heroin out of indonesia.

westerners might think this justice system is unbelievable, barbaric, etc. but it is basically a last ditch attempt by these governments to stop the trafficking of drugs to and out of their countries.

you could also look at it this way...drug dealing is in a way similar to killing people.

but i do agree that there are other crimes where the perpertrators don't get harsh enough sentences.

ok, i've gone way off-topic...

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