Ýyi akþamlar arkadaþlar.

Yeni bir üyeyim, bu birincim mesaj. Ýki yýl önce Türkçe öðrenmeyi baþladým. ama çok sorularým var. Keþke bu forum sorularýma cevap verebilecekse.

Well , I will continue in English now, as it took me almost 10 minutes to write those 3 lines…I will be more than glad if the admin or any other native Turkish speaking member corrects my Turkish in this and my future messages.

Well my first looong standing problem is that I cannot figure out the exact pronounciation of the Turkish letter ý the undotted I that is. The reason is that native Turks sometimes spell it like an e, sometimes like an i (dotted) and more often like an ou.
Lets me give you some examples:
caným : (my dear) I heard many people spelling it like ou. (janoum)
hadi bakalým (come on, let’s see) :here again it is an ou.
Haným: again it is an ou
The problem starts when you hear how the same letter sounds more like an I (dotted) in words like
nasýlsýnýz
yapýyorum
adýnýz ne?

My confusion grows up greater when in some words this letter is not spelled at all! For example
karþýlaþmasý .People spell this as karsh-lash-ma-su

Can someone explain this? I mean is the spelling of this letter really variable?? I believe the correct pronounciation for this letter is as the speaker spells kahvaltý in one of the pronounciation classes of this site, i.e something between I and e.

I have some more questions "ama yavaþ-yavaþ". Later on.

I will write you some words so you can check the sound. To listen to them type them here and click dinle:
http://www.seslisozluk.com/

ısı
ılık
ışık
ırk
ıslık
ıssız
ısırık
ısıtıcı
ışıltı
ılımlı
kır
kırık
bıyık
kırk
kılıç
kılıf
kırıcı
sıfır
sağır
sınıf
hırıltı
hırsız
Kıbrıs
sınırlı
kırıntı
kıpırtı

"karşılaşması" should be pronounced as it is written. "kar şı laş ma sı" is how we gererate the sounds. You can listen there to "karşılaşma" as well. Also you might want to have a look on this:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_1466

Woops, forgot to say çok teþekkürler to Erdinc. Thanks my friend. Well how were my 3 lines in Turkish, were they correct???

I have troubles listening to the examples. I searched for a word and as soon as i clicked 'dinle', this came up:

"Please login to use extra features
If you do not have an account please join our community now"

Which is rather strange, because i have an account and i was logged in (what is past time of 'login' my native english friends?)
Or is there also some sort of 'upgraded account'?

deli_kızın,
do you also have an account for seslisozluk? Because it's another site.

Yes i made it immediately and it still says i need an account?

Freaky people

well listening to how worlds spelled or pronounced dont need an account i guess it says free huh? strange..

"Allahaısmarladık" is an exception. There are a few like this. Just ignore them for now.
Another exception is "bir" (bi) and present continious tense "gideceğim" (gidicem).

"karşılaşması" should be pronounced properly as it is written.

I guess you are right mltm.Frankly speaking ý is not the only vowel I have problems with. I have problems with ö and ü too!
For example the word büyük. The sound of the first ü looks different to me than that of the 2nd one.
If I may extend my query would there be a difference in pronounciation if (supposely) the word were "buyük"? The first one been without dots i.e?

I dont know if what I say makes sense to native Turkish speakers...
Any comments from non native speakers regarding this matter?

Thanks again to Edrinc.

Deli_Kizin I just registered to seslisozluk they say they need 20 minutes to send you an approval e-mail and then using that you have to activate your account.
Patience!

Yes but i also already activated it

Yes, yes I ve checked the syllabling thread a couple of days ago.
OK lets suppose there existed a word büyü.Do you now see the same sound in both vowels? Frankly speaking I dont. In the first one I see a sound like in the English word bOOt, in the second one a sound like an ou as in English word yOU.
Sorry for bothering you, but perhaps these "details" might not be so visible to a native speaker?

Vowels make a huge difference in spoken language. In the above text you see some pairs with with ı-i, o-ö, u-ü and as you might have realised we have many like this. In other words, if you are using i instead ı it is likely to be another word. Smillar with o instead ö and u instead ü. In the above list harmless pairs are chooseb but in some cases you could possibly say a rude word without meaning it.
Certainly I'm not going to give examples here.

i have got myself in a lot of trouble with these two different words especially when i sat sikici=boring