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Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!
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1.       Trudy
7887 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 08:50 pm

An explosion in the touristic area Ulus of Ankara has killed Tuesday afternoon 4 people. This was announced by Ankara's mayor. The police thinks the explosion was caused by a bomb, according to tv-station CNN-Turk. At least 52 other people got injuries.

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Anyone (from Ankara maybe) who knows more?

2.       KeithL
1455 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:03 pm

I heard 5 or more dead. It happened in a shopping area. Almost certainly a bomb.

3.       Trudy
7887 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:09 pm

Latest news here is that the police arrested 7 people. They think it is a bomb because of the explosions they have found, similar to other ones.

4.       azade
1606 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:12 pm

Awful! Anybody know in which part of the city it happened? They said it on tv here but the anchors couldn't pronounce turkish if their lives depended on it so I didn't understand what they said :-S

5.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:16 pm

Just like a fear movie..
Yes my mother went to the shopping for home furniture in ULUS district at Ankara, then my mother came back home, but terrorist explosion occured only one hour later at the same shopping center where my mother visited and left..It was big shock for us....So my mother has saved, but 4 died 40 wounded.Live boomer from Iraq died.
This is life.

6.       Trudy
7887 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:16 pm

Quoting azade:

Awful! Anybody know in which part of the city it happened? They said it on tv here but the anchors couldn't pronounce turkish if their lives depended on it so I didn't understand what they said :-S



In Ulus, at the entrance of a mall.

7.       azade
1606 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:21 pm

Quoting yilgun-7:

Just like a fear movie..
Yes my mother went to the shopping for home furniture in ULUS district at Ankara, then my mother came back home, but terrorist explosion occured only one hour later at the same shopping center where my mother visited and left..It was big shock for us....So my mother has saved, but 4 died 40 wounded.Live boomer from Iraq died.
This is life.



Alhamdulillah she got home in time!

I'm curious to know if they will find out who did it, because I have absolutely no understanding for why someone would bomb such places. It's so tragic.

8.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:22 pm

It was taken place in Ulus/Ankara in a shopping center where poor or average earning people do the shopping. A4 type plastic bomb was used. The authorities got suspicious about PKK because PKK is using that kind of bomb.

Maalesef, 6 people died and 60 people injured

9.       azade
1606 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:23 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting azade:

Awful! Anybody know in which part of the city it happened? They said it on tv here but the anchors couldn't pronounce turkish if their lives depended on it so I didn't understand what they said :-S



In Ulus, at the entrance of a mall.



Ok, thanks
I have been there a couple of times before. Really odd to think about.

10.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:27 pm

ULUS-Anafartalar Çarşısı Önü

11.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:02 am

Quoting yilgun-7:

This is life.



İts sad that you felt that needs to be said.

12.       panta rei
0 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:11 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting yilgun-7:

This is life.



İts sad that you felt that needs to be said.



No - Actually it is more correct and sad to say that "this is Turkey".

13.       libralady
5152 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:12 am

I have just read this too on the internet news. It is always sad for those caught up. We are not safe anywhere these days. And yes, it is life, at the moment, hopefully in time peace will prevail.

14.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:12 am

Quote:

Quoting panta rei:

İts sad that you felt that needs to be said.



No - Actually it is more correct and sad to say that "this is Turkey".



Im not sure if İ want to say 'Im afraid youre right'. Dont we all sometimes have the feeling that if we dont say something, its just not there, not true?

15.       panta rei
0 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:15 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:


Im not sure if İ want to say 'Im afraid youre right'. Dont we all sometimes have the feeling that if we dont say something, its just not there, not true?



Huh?

16.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:18 am

Quoting panta rei:


Huh?



Haha

I just dont want to admit that thats turkey.. Though Im afraid its true. Its such a divided country and it really strucks me with a genuine pain.

17.       lunila
200 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:19 am

Quoting panta rei:

Quoting Deli_kizin:


Im not sure if İ want to say 'Im afraid youre right'. Dont we all sometimes have the feeling that if we dont say something, its just not there, not true?



Huh?

18.       panta rei
0 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:26 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting panta rei:


Huh?



Haha

I just dont want to admit that thats turkey.. Though Im afraid its true. Its such a divided country and it really strucks me with a genuine pain.



Oh, I get it now. Of course, that's such! You should admit that whatever I say, is true!

19.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:28 am

Quoting panta rei:


Oh, I get it now. Of course, that's such! You should admit that whatever I say, is true!



Ok ok we know that you're Turkish

20.       panta rei
0 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 12:30 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting panta rei:


Oh, I get it now. Of course, that's such! You should admit that whatever I say, is true!



Ok ok we know that you're Turkish



lol lol

21.       mltm
3690 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 01:19 am

What I think is with another government we have to finish these PKK terrorists, by very effective operations. Or, we will always live with a fear of a possible attack.

22.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 02:33 am

I'm so sad about this.

Divide and conquer is a very old tactic...It was used by Philip (Alexander's father). This is horrible.

I've never seen a nation of people so polite and friendly with each other. This has to stop.

Who knows who it is really? All that is known is that some group has bad intentions for Turkey and is killing and terrorizing Turks. Turks must be untied as a nation.

23.       alperhkn
84 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 04:21 am

Awful!! what do these .... guys want from innocent people??? there are hundreds of ways to damage peace and tranquility but this is the worst and most evil! I guess even devil is ashamed of that act!!

24.       catwoman
8933 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 04:33 am

As horrible as this event is, it should spark more thoughtful reflections, especially from those who live in Turkey and truly have a stake at ending this.

25.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 04:53 am

Quoting yilgun-7:

This is life.



I am happy that your mother is well but I can't agree with your comment that "this is life". It's not life...it's terrorism!
Do we all just sit back and say “that’s life” or “it’s always been this way” or whatever else we tell each other to try to make ourselves feel better when these kinds of incidents occur? I’m sorry, but I think that is just wrong and tragic. I certainly am not saying I have any answers but accepting that this is just how it is? I just can’t do it.

26.       Pizza
0 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 04:59 am

Quoting yilgun-7:

Just like a fear movie..
Yes my mother went to the shopping for home furniture in ULUS district at Ankara, then my mother came back home, but terrorist explosion occured only one hour later at the same shopping center where my mother visited and left..It was big shock for us....So my mother has saved, but 4 died 40 wounded.Live boomer from Iraq died.
This is life.


Oh my dear brother Yilgun, thanks God and your MUM is safe and my condolence for the victims who died and i hope all the wounded will be ok soonest. Also, please give my regards, hugs and kisses to my Aunt (your MUM) and also to my Uncle (your DAD). Please take care and dont forget to have this situational awareness always. I hope these acts of terrorism will end for the benefits of everybody and for world peace!!!! your sister in Manila

27.       Trudy
7887 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 07:03 pm

The persons who did this will get what they want, I'm afraid: a Turkey in isolation without tourists (meaning money!). I already heard several people in the Netherlands who have changed their minds, they will not spend their summer holiday in Turkey but they'll go to Greece and Portugal instead.

28.       Mina_TR
50 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 07:25 pm

Quoting Trudy:

The persons who did this will get what they want, I'm afraid: a Turkey in isolation without tourists (meaning money!). I already heard several people in the Netherlands who have changed their minds, they will not spend their summer holiday in Turkey but they'll go to Greece and Portugal instead.



Well not even something like this would stop me from going to Turkey either way, because my husband is out there right now visiting his mother and if I had to and could, I would have gone there now to be with him.

We live in a world of unknown and of what we don't know can happen today, tomorrow or the next day. We should not let even terrorists make us all live in fear either.

My own city was hurt on that infamous day of SEPT. 11, 2001
We all cried that day, I would have been a part of that if I had taken a job there before it happened, but something else keep me from going there.

Only GOD knows when your time will come.

29.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 07:34 pm

Quoting Trudy:

The persons who did this will get what they want, I'm afraid: a Turkey in isolation without tourists (meaning money!). I already heard several people in the Netherlands who have changed their minds, they will not spend their summer holiday in Turkey but they'll go to Greece and Portugal instead.



Yes, Ive heard the same too. First, it mainly happened in the east, but throughout this year, attacks have occurred in the utmost modern cities of the country, İstanbul, Ankara and İzmir. It comes closer to the tourist areas and keeps the people away.

I myself have become a bit frightened too. They are building new apartment blocks around here, and once they dropped something heavy from the roof. I jumped off my chair and felt chilly all night as I had linked this sound with a terroristic attack.

30.       catwoman
8933 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 07:38 pm

Quoting Trudy:

The persons who did this will get what they want, I'm afraid: a Turkey in isolation without tourists (meaning money!). I already heard several people in the Netherlands who have changed their minds, they will not spend their summer holiday in Turkey but they'll go to Greece and Portugal instead.


Yes, I'm afraid that many people will feel this way. Acting on anger (which is a very valid feeling at the moment though) won't help Turkey. Unfortunately, I don't see any reasonable solutions coming out. You have to look at the roots of the problems instead of behaving the same way that you hate in those people - which is by violence.

31.       Trudy
7887 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 07:44 pm

@ Mina: it won't stop me too (else I think I should stay in my bed and die there) but I think many people who are depending on the tourism branche don't like the idea their customers won't come.

32.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 08:54 pm

Quoting mltm:

What I think is with another government we have to finish these PKK terrorists, by very effective operations. Or, we will always live with a fear of a possible attack.



It had been finished before 2003 with the old terror law, but when this government came, they changed the terror law by the pressure of EU and they terminated and dismissed the special forces who were expert on struggle with terrorism again by the pressure of EU(congruity laws of EU), and these new laws tied up hands of Gendarme and Army, now then we come to this situation. Terrorism grew up day by day.

33.       qdemir
811 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 10:06 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Trudy:

The persons who did this will get what they want, I'm afraid: a Turkey in isolation without tourists (meaning money!). I already heard several people in the Netherlands who have changed their minds, they will not spend their summer holiday in Turkey but they'll go to Greece and Portugal instead.


Yes, I'm afraid that many people will feel this way. Acting on anger (which is a very valid feeling at the moment though) won't help Turkey. Unfortunately, I don't see any reasonable solutions coming out. You have to look at the roots of the problems instead of behaving the same way that you hate in those people - which is by violence.



Could you speak more specifically? What problems and roots?

34.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 10:10 pm

Thank you Nancy sister (Pizza).
Seven people were killed and up to 121 injured on Tuesday after a bomb exploded in a crowded shopping centre in Ankara,Ulus, anafartalar Çarşısı, during the evening rush hour.It was a terrorist suicide bomber attack.
We are very sorry for these innocent people.
Yes , girleegirl, this is a terrorizm…And they are everywhere in the world.They are the enemy of the humanity unfortunately..

35.       catwoman
8933 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 04:05 am

Quoting qdemir:

Could you speak more specifically? What problems and roots?


I don't understand your question qdemir. What problem? - the problem we're talking about - bombs in the city! What are the roots? - you should know better then me. If it's Pkk that set this up, then one of the roots is discrimination against Kurds in Turkey. I'm not an expert on the turkish problems, but I know for sure that if your only reaction is going to be aggression back then you're setting yourself up for more violence... obviously! On top of many other consequences, like perception of Turkey abroad.

36.       longinotti1
1090 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 09:45 am

Problems with indigenous peoples occurred in the USA into the the 20th century, even into the 1960s.

Now we allow them to operate gambling casinos and distribute the wealth among there own tribes.

Now they are all to rich too rebel.

37.       KeithL
1455 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 10:34 am

Quoting longinotti1:

Problems with indigenous peoples occurred in the USA into the the 20th century, even into the 1960s.

Now we allow them to operate gambling casinos and distribute the wealth among there own tribes.

Now they are all to rich too rebel.



???????????????????
Native Americans are still the poorest group in America. Too rich to rebel? Where in the world do you get your information?

38.       libralady
5152 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 10:39 am

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting longinotti1:

Problems with indigenous peoples occurred in the USA into the the 20th century, even into the 1960s.

Now we allow them to operate gambling casinos and distribute the wealth among there own tribes.

Now they are all to rich too rebel.



???????????????????
Native Americans are still the poorest group in America. Too rich to rebel? Where in the world do you get your information?



This is really going off track, but Keith I have to agree with you! I saw first hand in Cheroke how poor they really are and how they are "dumped" in a high flood risk area. I will stop now as the above post makes my blood boil.

39.       MrX67
2540 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 10:52 am

there r many reasons of terrorism (economical,political,religional etc....)and i think the main point the diagnose true reasons,and to desicate swamp not to be busy with flies..

40.       KeithL
1455 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 11:01 am

The PKK and American Indians have nothing in common.
The indians land was stolen continusously and they were packed onto reservations that were not hospitaale to live on.
To this day, not only are they poor, they have the highest unemployment rate, highest alcoholism rate and highest suicide rate of any group in America.

41.       MrX67
2540 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 11:09 am

poverty and untolerance,both really big dangers and reasons of terrorism,so richs have to think a bit more about sharing and strongers have to care a bit more about weaks,otherwise everytings will be worse on future..

42.       MrX67
2540 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 11:19 am

life is really unmeaningfull without care,share,tolerance and peace so we all have to think about all this kindly feelings anymin and have to know we all travelling on same ship,so we all have big responsibilities to all other without any privilage..

43.       mltm
3690 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 11:57 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting qdemir:

Could you speak more specifically? What problems and roots?


I don't understand your question qdemir. What problem? - the problem we're talking about - bombs in the city! What are the roots? - you should know better then me. If it's Pkk that set this up, then one of the roots is discrimination against Kurds in Turkey. I'm not an expert on the turkish problems, but I know for sure that if your only reaction is going to be aggression back then you're setting yourself up for more violence... obviously! On top of many other consequences, like perception of Turkey abroad.



So you are somewhat justifiying the violent acts of these terrorists? Do you know their aim? Do you think they fight to get their "rights"? Do you know who supports them?

44.       Elisa
0 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 12:01 am

Quoting longinotti1:

Problems with indigenous peoples occurred in the USA into the the 20th century, even into the 1960s.

Now we allow them to operate gambling casinos and distribute the wealth among there own tribes.

Now they are all to rich too rebel.





Words fail me here...

45.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 12:15 am

Quoting mltm:

Who deleted my message?
There was nothing wrong in it, they were just the realities. Is it banned to talk about the reality of the kurdish separatist terror group PKK?



Yes actually I wondered the same.. There was nothing wrong with your message.


As mod, can't you see message that have been deleted? Why don't you just put it back

46.       KeithL
1455 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 12:40 am

I'm failing to see the similiarities here. I am very tolerent by nature. I have nothing against kurds, but the PKK is a terrorist organization and they need to be destroyed. Now. For all our safety.

47.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 12:43 am

According to Historians=
American Indians were Turks from the Middle Asia...

48.       mltm
3690 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 12:44 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:


As mod, can't you see message that have been deleted? Why don't you just put it back


No, I cannot see.

49.       longinotti1
1090 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 02:32 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting longinotti1:

Problems with indigenous peoples occurred in the USA into the the 20th century, even into the 1960s.
Now we allow them to operate gambling casinos and distribute the wealth among there own tribes.
Now they are all to rich too rebel.



longi - on top of you being completely wrong, it's abhorrent for you to say "we allow them"!! This is THEIR country! And I think you meant to say "their problems with us!"



I apologize from my poor choice of words.

50.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 09:06 am

Quoting KeithL:

I'm failing to see the similiarities here. I am very tolerent by nature. I have nothing against kurds, but the PKK is a terrorist organization and they need to be destroyed. Now. For all our safety.


KeithL, what do you mean you are tolerant towards Kurds? Aren't they people too? There is not supposed to be a question about "whether to be tolerant towards Kurds or not". Of course, I absolutely agree about terrorism - that needs to be stopped ASAP, I'm just not sure if more violence will take care of that. Didn't seem to work in the past in most places and 99% of victims will be innocent people from both sides! Do you really want that??? This idea kind of reminds me of the attitude of president Bush and half of the Americans after 9/11. Violence as a justified means to solve conflicts? Nobody will ever benefit from that. You need to look at the roots of the problem for all our safety.

51.       KeithL
1455 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 03:17 pm

I am tolerent of all people, including my own. In general. I said this to indicate I am not rascist against any people based on the nature of ethnicity.
The PKK situation is so much different then 9/11 events that you compare. 9/11 was about America interfering with foreign policy in other parts of the world. The situation with the PKK is closer to foreign invasion. This is about land, not ideals. And to say violence never solved anything, I strongly disagree. What about the French Revolution, American Revolution, American Civil War, Turkish War of Independence, Word War II? War isn't pretty, but sometimes its necessary.
I ask you this Catwoman. What does the PKK want that you feel can be negotiated?

52.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 03:46 pm

for the attention of Mrs Catwoman and Mr Keithl, "The Kurdish people are the real one of Turkish ethnical family clans, they are Turks...So, Turk Kurdish people and terrorist organization are different things.Terrorist organization is a humanity crime".

53.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 04:10 pm

i don't believe theres an ethnicity problem in our country,just some economical&socical problems which came since the long years,just big mistakes of goverments about administring to country.there r big contradictions on different areas of our country,some places having high life conditions while other big parts surviving in very bad conditions.Sure our lovely country has some problems,but thats never abouth ethnicity or belief differences,but some foxy politicians using this differences for their political worries just for keep their chairs warm.so time to be more together more then ever and time to be more tolerated or loving each other for more peacfull and light tomorrows...

54.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 04:11 pm

as our nature leader Atatürk's said ''Peace in country,peace on World'' any better fix????

55.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 04:15 pm

Turkey look likes a wonderfull mosaic with the sweet cultural differences,you can see the so sweet differences on the different regions of our lovely country,and thats a big advantage as a cultural richness for we Turkish people,but pity some bad aimed people trying to use this sweet differences as a political weapon,but i believe that strong Turkish people never will be a toy in hands of this foxy politicians,we love each other and we need each other...

56.       KeithL
1455 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 04:15 pm

Quoting yilgun-7:

for the attention of Mrs Catwoman and Mr Keithl, "The Kurdish people are the real one of Turkish ethnical family clans, they are Turks...So, Turk Kurdish people and terrorist organization are different things.Terrorist organization is a humanity crime".



So whats the problem? They can vote, work, own homes....
I am not going to argue with you what a "real turk" is.
But the kurds in turkey have the same rules and rights as the rest of the people in Turkey.

57.       KeithL
1455 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 04:17 pm

Quoting MrX67:

as our nature leader Atatürk's said ''Peace in country,peace on World'' any better fix????



This is true, but Ataturk would not tolerate a foreign invader, which is what the PKK is.

58.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 04:17 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting yilgun-7:

for the attention of Mrs Catwoman and Mr Keithl, "The Kurdish people are the real one of Turkish ethnical family clans, they are Turks...So, Turk Kurdish people and terrorist organization are different things.Terrorist organization is a humanity crime".



So whats the problem? They can vote, work, own homes....
I am not going to argue with you what a "real turk" is.
But the kurds in turkey have the same rules and rights as the rest of the people in Turkey.

+1

59.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 04:37 pm

everythings will be finer if we all light a candle everday and let it shine>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y2ii3iwDrQ

60.       qdemir
811 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 05:12 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting mltm:

Who deleted my message?
There was nothing wrong in it, they were just the realities. Is it banned to talk about the reality of the kurdish separatist terror group PKK?



Yes actually I wondered the same.. There was nothing wrong with your message.


As mod, can't you see message that have been deleted? Why don't you just put it back



What I wonder is if catwoman has anything to say about it, for the post in question addressed catwoman, and one of her posts on the thread. (I don't mean it might have been deleted by catwoman.) To tell the truth, the post partially targeted catwoman's personality.

61.       longinotti1
1090 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 10:00 pm

My reply #36 was as poor comparison, when all details are considered, so I want to withdraw it. Thank you to all who responded.

62.       KeithL
1455 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 10:08 pm

A retraction on TLC.....how rare!



63.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 10:19 pm

Yes. How refreshingly polite !

64.       deli
5904 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 11:40 pm

here here

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