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16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:07 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting ciko: ..you speak like armenians were very poor innocent people and suddenly Ottoman attacked and killed them. of course i am ashamed of what ottoman did to them..but they did the same to us..why we are the only blamed one? |
because the winners write the history books!!! |
who won?
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:09 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Quoting ciko: ..you speak like armenians were very poor innocent people and suddenly Ottoman attacked and killed them. of course i am ashamed of what ottoman did to them..but they did the same to us..why we are the only blamed one? |
because the winners write the history books!!! |
who won? |
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:22 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Quoting ciko: ..you speak like armenians were very poor innocent people and suddenly Ottoman attacked and killed them. of course i am ashamed of what ottoman did to them..but they did the same to us..why we are the only blamed one? |
because the winners write the history books!!! |
who won? |
Clearly, the ottomans lost.
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:25 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: thats better to take peace pens to write a new history then to stuck on past.To look for who was true and who was right in the past makes bigger to problems and creats new nationalist waves.... |
As i told, MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR, the Turks-Armenian trouble have 92years old!! Please forget that!! It generate only hates and revenge, and there are more interesting troubles to solve as the people who still dieing NOW.
Do you know?
- Each year 10millions of children die of hunger.
- 600 million children live in the absolute poverty
 MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:27 pm |
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Quoting C&K: Quoting MrX67: thats better to take peace pens to write a new history then to stuck on past.To look for who was true and who was right in the past makes bigger to problems and creats new nationalist waves.... |
As i told, MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR, the Turks-Armenian trouble have 92years old!! Please forget that!! It generate only hates and revenge, and there are more interesting troubles to solve as the people who still dieing NOW.
Do you know?
- Each year 10millions of children die of hunger.
- 600 million children live in the absolute poverty
MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR |
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:43 pm |
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Quoting ciko: what i dont understand is why people here do not question what armenian state did in eastern Turkey before and after so called genocide? my father comes from Van - east of Turkey...and some of my relatives were killed by armenian soldiers. Thousands of people were killed, some of women were raped by armenian soldiers.does it give me right to claim that Armenia did genocide in eastern Turkey?..you speak like armenians were very poor innocent people and suddenly Ottoman attacked and killed them. of course i am ashamed of what ottoman did to them..but they did the same to us..why we are the only blamed one? |
so we searching about truth,
all comments here biased to the party which loves,
my head became dizziness
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:55 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting si++:
In that context we should also mention the brainwashing of Armenians by Americans in missionary schools all over the East of Turkey during 1800s. I don't remember the exact number of schools but they should be something more than 150. More than 150 schools, in 1800s, can you believe it? What do you think they were doing (teaching) in those schools? It all became clear later as we all know today. |
any source to back up this?
but plz NOT THE UNKNOWN CENSORED BOOK THAT HAS DISAPPEARED MYSTERIOUSLY and CAN BE FOUND ON THE SHELVES COVERED WITH DUST IN LENIN library.
btw, theresnt lenin library anymore. its called russian state library  |
Femme
You have a way of disregarding what is the significant in messages and pull out an inferior detail and make a fuss out of it. Good way for distracting people from the main message, congrats! Yet, obviously that's a good example of what "bad intention" is.
I did not say the book mysteriously disappeared, the emphasis was that it is a rare book as the original issue had only 2000 copies, and because it is absolutely disproving the Armenian claims of genocide they spent big effort in keeping it as much contained as possible. So you will not find it in any bookstore. Yet the edited US edition is listed in amazon.
Oh, if you want to play deaf and blind and choose a way of denial of all disproving documents in order to be able to keep claiming that there was a genocide, then I must emphasize my message was not intended for such people. If not, I encourage you to give a reasonable reply to my previous message instead of distracting people.
Regards,
ps. thanks for teaching us the Lenin library has been renamed. As well as demonstrating how well informed and intellectual you are, this information will also help us all to understand the message better(!). Very important point you got there, so 10+ to you. Big applause for femme!
Regards again to all,
fearless
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 06:16 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: I think we should make something clear here:
-We know that terrible things happened during that time.
-We know that many Turks and many many Armenians died.
-We know that Turkish Governments made mistakes by not opening its archives fully and not being open enough in the past.
But what we dont know that
Weather it should be called a genocide or not.
And it is the job for historians. Not for us. I think the subject should be discussed at the possible highest level and should be sorted out once and all.
Otherwise, the subject wont go away for us Turks. And Everybody will be talking about it with their limited historical knowledge. (one will say oh we have the document , your talat pasa -interior minister I think at the time- sent this order 'X', saying 'terminate them all'. Someone will say, but in this document, it says 'relocate them for their protection' . So it will go on and on. That is the reason, I think it is the best, if it is left for historians)
It happened nearly a century ago..Not everything is well documented as it is now(ie we know very well what is happening in Iraq for example, we all know how American daisy cutter bombs work, we know very well why Americans dropped those bombs in japan-though it was not necessary-, we know very well how many civilians got killed in Vietnam -mainly by the napalms- etc etc) .
There was not even a definition for genocide at the time when those things happened in 1915, if I am not wrong.
My conclusion on the subject is that we Turks should not be afraid of opening our archives fully and discussing it where ever possible. Compensation and giving the land is out of question because Turkish Republic was born in 1923.
And for my American friends, supporting what your government is doing now and what you have done in the past to the other nations is a no go from my part.
I dont think you should support your governments 'war crimes' and at the same time saying 'but 1915 was a genocide'.
I cant see the morality in it. |
I totally agree.
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 06:31 pm |
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Quoting fearless: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting si++:
In that context we should also mention the brainwashing of Armenians by Americans in missionary schools all over the East of Turkey during 1800s. I don't remember the exact number of schools but they should be something more than 150. More than 150 schools, in 1800s, can you believe it? What do you think they were doing (teaching) in those schools? It all became clear later as we all know today. |
any source to back up this?
but plz NOT THE UNKNOWN CENSORED BOOK THAT HAS DISAPPEARED MYSTERIOUSLY and CAN BE FOUND ON THE SHELVES COVERED WITH DUST IN LENIN library.
btw, theresnt lenin library anymore. its called russian state library |
Femme
You have a way of disregarding what is the significant in messages and pull out an inferior detail and make a fuss out of it. Good way for distracting people from the main message, congrats! Yet, obviously that's a good example of what 'bad intention' is.
I did not say the book mysteriously disappeared, the emphasis was that it is a rare book as the original issue had only 2000 copies, and because it is absolutely disproving the Armenian claims of genocide they spent big effort in keeping it as much contained as possible. So you will not find it in any bookstore. Yet the edited US edition is listed in amazon.
Oh, if you want to play deaf and blind and choose a way of denial of all disproving documents in order to be able to keep claiming that there was a genocide, then I must emphasize my message was not intended for such people. If not, I encourage you to give a reasonable reply to my previous message instead of distracting people.
Regards,
ps. thanks for teaching us the Lenin library has been renamed. As well as demonstrating how well informed and intellectual you are, this information will also help us all to understand the message better(!). Very important point you got there, so 10+ to you. Big applause for femme!
Regards again to all,
fearless
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I'll climb that hill in my own way,
Just wait a while for the right day...
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thanks for the hand claps, im honored! im obsessed with admiration, i love being admired am i becoming a turk?  .
according to your claims, it sounds like theres a strong demonic power on the side of armenians.
armenians have successfully got rid of the ONLY SOLE truth about the genocide all over the world except for the forgotten library of lenin or amazon.com. they have got access to all the libraries in the world and destroyed the sources of facts. nice try! students will love this you are better than dan brown!
bravo for fearless!
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 06:38 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Quoting ciko: ..you speak like armenians were very poor innocent people and suddenly Ottoman attacked and killed them. of course i am ashamed of what ottoman did to them..but they did the same to us..why we are the only blamed one? |
because the winners write the history books!!! |
who won? |
Clearly, the ottomans lost. |
ottomans lost it anyway wether its a case of armenians or young turks.
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 06:44 pm |
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It is clear that this issue is highly politicized and any country's decision to accept it as "genocide" is purely based on political interests. It is quite a shame that so many Western countries have accepted it as a genocide despite the lack of adequate, objective (done by a third party) historical investigation. But the most remarkable phenomenon is that politicians get involved in this to begin with, and decide on what is the "legal" version of events.
At the same time, I don't trust what Turkish people say about this issue, mostly because they are usually not objective when it comes to admitting their mistakes.
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