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10.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 05:30 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Peacetrain....this is a personal matter between you and AEnigma. But I appreciate you giving us all more foder for gossip.



Glad to be of service. It ceases to become a personal matter when pms are no longer confidential. I'm not bothered about the content of my pms as such, I haven't said anything controversial. But, ALL members on the site have a right to know that what they put in a pm may not be confidential as some members may feel the need to share it with others. Gossip is fine.

Girleegirl, yes partly to embarrass and ok, so I fall on my sword. Don't let any criticism I come in for get you down.

We are all pots, we are all kettles and we are all black.

I have no more to say. I have made my point and done it publicly as AEnigma would prefer me to do.

Enjoy the rest of the thread folks (assuming it doesn't get deleted or locked).

11.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 05:33 pm

Assume for one minute that we all know how to cut and paste, peace train! We all know that PMs can be made public. This was specifically meant to embarrass AEnigma and although I doubt it did, you however have proved yourself to be a supreme Jackass!!

12.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 05:33 pm

Quoting peace train:


PM as the term suggests are for members’ most personal and private thoughts and I don’t think the owners of this site will thank you for explaining to me that you have loss of friends on this site who send you copies of my pms sent to them. Btw I hope they sent the positive comments I made about you too. You know how much I like a balanced argument . Perhaps it’s a ploy you have used with others in the past, I don’t know. What mind games you play eh ? Anyway I’m sure the owners of the site would much prefer their members to feel confident to use the PM facility (It is , after all, there for a reason - several reasons probably). Eg for swapping email addresses.
I have friends and I have acquaintances on this site. I discuss many matters with them, none of it extreme.


Guess what trainwreck....a PM is for the members to do with as they choose....read, delete, mark it spam.....if they decide to share it with someone else that is their business. Your comment suggests you are blaming III for this but perhaps you should be blaming your so-called friends. Hmmmm...makes me wonder just what kind of 'friends' you have.
It would appear the only one playing mind-games is you.

13.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 05:38 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting peace train:

Dear AEnigma
Thank you for your pm dear. I would have run it all by Admin first but I thought you might find that a tad sly.

PM as the term suggests are for members’ most personal and private thoughts and I don’t think the owners of this site will thank you for explaining to me that you have loss of friends on this site who send you copies of my pms sent to them. Btw I hope they sent the positive comments I made about you too. You know how much I like a balanced argument . Perhaps it’s a ploy you have used with others in the past, I don’t know. What mind games you play eh ? Anyway I’m sure the owners of the site would much prefer their members to feel confident to use the PM facility (It is , after all, there for a reason - several reasons probably). Eg for swapping email addresses.
I have friends and I have acquaintances on this site. I discuss many matters with them, none of it extreme. I was advised by one member a long time ago to be careful what I put in my pms, as “one never knows who may be listening in”, consequently I haven’t said anything in a pm that I think is controversial. Of course I have spoken about you in pms and some of it in a negative way. I have this right, just as you do and I am sure you have exercised it. You are naive if you think that nobody holds post mortems about contentious threads (hey maybe we should even call it a Post Mortem). Somehow, I don’t think you are that naive.

People don’t have to share all their views in the forums. Neither should they be pigeon holed because of their silence. In one of your posts you referred to people trying to psychoanalyse you. So what? It is the human condition to wonder what makes other people tick. Let it go . Many people make complaints in their posts or accuse others of things . . they complain about the very things they do themselves. Look, we members, we moan, we groan, we complain, we wind each other up, we bitch . . . we all have to go to the toilet some time or other too. Nobody died from any of this on this site did they?

If your friends feel the need to wind you up further by divulging something I have said in a pm, that’s their business, not mine. I am glad you take comfort from it. I believe your “hidden agenda” in starting the “religion” thread was to provide entertainment for yourself. That is my opinion and many of your posts on that thread reveal that. If that is your entertainment, enjoy it. However, remember I have the right, as a member to interject at any time, that is the nature of a public forum. You have this right too and you exercise it. And rightly so. I understand that what you say about the state of affairs in the UK is not born out of racism but I think your agenda when you use the tones you often use, is to wind people up and cause confrontation. You have admitted yourself that you will argue for arguments sake. Let’s just call it something that winds me up . Not your view but your style. And you don’t like my style so, no problem. We can’t all be the same. I noticed you posted some comments the day of your pm. Same message about the UK, but much softer tones and therefore your point sounds more credible and worth discussing. You may not agree with what I am about to say, but I think something I have said to you has got through to you.

Look , I obviously made a bad impression of you the very first time I posted about your style, but in my opinion you misunderstood my intention and over reacted and the tone has been set ever since. Of course that made me lecture all the more . Ha ha ha I didn’t know you or ETKO. You were having a ding dong and I thought you were some defenceless woman who didn’t realise what she was getting into. I know different now.

If it suits you to think of me as some kind of extremist then so be it. Your view of me does not harm me or bother me. I do not place value on your opinion of me. My friends , my colleagues and my community know me and I know myself. I am happy in my own skin. I do not place value on what you think of me and neither should you place value on things I may say. We do not know each other apart from which buttons are the best ones to press .
In order to save your many friends the trouble, here are topics I have written about.in pms

Myself, religion, music, UK, Gaza, Fethullah Gulen, herbal remedies, holidays, special educational needs voluntary work in Istanbul, hotels, sightseeing, gender issues, my cat died, my daughter’s pregnancy, my daughter’s raging dental pain, the weather.

If I have forgotten anything I’m sure you’ll tell me.




i feel sorry for aenigma that she trusted you.
you are not a trustworthy person, peace faker!



Trust? I rest my case. PMs are used by people who think they can trust the system. Clearly AEnigma and her "many friends" believe pms are for an entirely different reason. You can't have your cake and eat it.

14.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 05:38 pm

Quoting peace train:


Glad to be of service. It ceases to become a personal matter when pms are no longer confidential. I'm not bothered about the content of my pms as such, I haven't said anything controversial. But, ALL members on the site have a right to know that what they put in a pm may not be confidential as some members may feel the need to share it with others. Gossip is fine.

Girleegirl, yes partly to embarrass and ok, so I fall on my sword. Don't let any criticism I come in for get you down.

We are all pots, we are all kettles and we are all black.

I have no more to say. I have made my point and done it publicly as AEnigma would prefer me to do.

Enjoy the rest of the thread folks (assuming it doesn't get deleted or locked).


We are not so stupid to believe your "innocent" little argument here. IF this was a matter of being concerned PM's are being shared you would have taken it up privately with admin...or your "friends" who you thought were on your side!! Again...you show just the kind of person you really are. Sad really.

15.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 05:41 pm

Quoting peace train:


Trust? I rest my case. PMs are used by people who think they can trust the system. Clearly AEnigma and her "many friends" believe pms are for an entirely different reason. You can't have your cake and eat it.


Aenigma's many friends? Weren't these the people that YOU trusted? The ones you THOUGHT were your friends?
Play the victim all you want trainwreck...it's quite humorous.

16.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 05:45 pm

Quoting peace train:


I have no more to say. I have made my point and done it publicly as AEnigma would prefer me to do.


Hmmm...how did I know this would not be the last you would have to say.

17.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 05:49 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Assume for one minute that we all know how to cut and paste, peace train! We all know that PMs can be made public. This was specifically meant to embarrass AEnigma and although I doubt it did, you however have proved yourself to be a supreme Jackass!!



Well, she advocated I post my opinions in public. Now I can pm everyone on the site, as clearly people on this site do, or I can save myself some time and post it publicly. You can bleat all you want. I knew exactly who would respond to my thread first. It's the same old same old. I'm sorry but I thought subjecting people to public ridicule was the norm for some people here. (I see a couple of threads got locked btw).

And to use AEnigma's own words. If I get deleted I don't give a damn.

And before anyone else mentions it. I obviously have made another post now when I said I was done. I guess that makes me a liar too.

18.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 06:57 pm

Gosh! What a storm in a tea cup

Peace train has sent PMs complaining about me (as is her right) but made the mistake of sending them to a couple of my friends, who then forwarded them to me (as any loyal friend would)

I didn't make it public - I merely sent peace train a PM informing to be careful who she expresses her secret opinions to Clearly she now finds it an embarassment.

End of story Does that breach confidentiality? How many emails have you forwarded in your lifetime?

19.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:06 pm

welcome to tc FAKE PEACE!!!

20.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 06 Feb 2008 Wed 07:08 pm

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting peace train:


PM as the term suggests are for members’ most personal and private thoughts and I don’t think the owners of this site will thank you for explaining to me that you have loss of friends on this site who send you copies of my pms sent to them. Btw I hope they sent the positive comments I made about you too. You know how much I like a balanced argument . Perhaps it’s a ploy you have used with others in the past, I don’t know. What mind games you play eh ? Anyway I’m sure the owners of the site would much prefer their members to feel confident to use the PM facility (It is , after all, there for a reason - several reasons probably). Eg for swapping email addresses.
I have friends and I have acquaintances on this site. I discuss many matters with them, none of it extreme.


Guess what trainwreck....a PM is for the members to do with as they choose....read, delete, mark it spam.....if they decide to share it with someone else that is their business. Your comment suggests you are blaming III for this but perhaps you should be blaming your so-called friends. Hmmmm...makes me wonder just what kind of 'friends' you have.
It would appear the only one playing mind-games is you.



I said I had friends and acquaintances (must have been one of those). It's up to the individual's conscience if they want to betray a confidence. You can twist words whichever way you want dear. There are people like you,m who will never see my point and there are many others who will. That's natural. I haven't a problem because I did not say anything controversial. Hey if I back bite I expect to get burned.

I'm not crying, whinging or bleating about anything that anyone has said to me or about me. It's only words in a playground.

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