Texas? Hmmm.... source of modernism? 

how bizzare for you to compare the execution of women to the blatant issues of bored people!

and you with your grand things in life please stop stepping into the blatant issues of bored people and mind your own business.

We do not discuss in this tone. mind your tone and language.

ok, lemon thingy (it´s ok to use this language, right?).

It´s not the place of the state to enforce any religious law on people. What if you are not a Christian? Why does the government force people to follow this Christian law of not marrying the person you love.

I agree with the Taliban comment. It´s a more extreme example of people forcing their own believes on others. Your religion is your business, it´s personal. It´s not a person place to force others to believe the same things and follow the same religious rules.

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Well said once again Barba!

I understand where you come from. totally acceptable and logic. I spoke the same when I was an atheist.

You have to take one thing under consideration. Those laws you speak of were made by christains for christians and existed for centuries. those were formulated on the basis of 10 commandments as well as roman civil codex.

the majority of texas are christians, they wish it to be it so. nobody forces you to live texas as well as nobody forces you to live in afghanistan.

you dont tolerate the choice of texans so they dont tolerate your choice.

an example of liberal laws being practiced and in force is the western europe, where there are no morals. a complete anarchy. teenagers have sex from the age of 10-11 because there are no more moral indications that would stop them. then they have children, then gov gives them money to continue to do so. all of them ( i mean a vast majority) are from divorced families. with this freedom of choices you have irresponsible parents and disrespectful children.

barba, you have it, you are doing it. enjoy your freedom, have this generation of lazy drunk drag-addict irresponsible people, the product of emanthipated EU.

not long ago I was on your side, on the side of liberalism, freedom and democracy. but today I have seen it enough. it is going from bad to worse. it is downgrading.

I dreamt of democracy I dreamt of freedom. It doesnt work. The more I watch the more I am convinced there are no morals no boundaries in the EU.

I think it is a mistake to believe that only religion can give you moral judgement.  I am inclined to believe that most people will behave morally if they are in an environment that rewards good decisions.  The problem (in my opinion of course, which is only supported by my experience and observations) is that governments reward bad behavior and do not give many breaks to people who work hard and excel.  In our society, we face many challenges and it seems that our government, instead of rising up to meet challenge...lowers the standard so that everyone meets it.  There is very little incentive to excel if all you aspire to is mediocrity and just "getting by."  Anyway, I agree that there is so much immorality in the world, but I don´t feel at all that it is based on a lack of religion.  I know plenty of atheists and agnostics that have a much greater sence of social awareness and justice than many of my religious friends.  

but you now have closed your own cirlce. the point is that EU´s laws doesnt contain any religion. it is so called liberal universal and multi-cultural.and it has been so for decades.

the question is what has it produced? is it any positive?

I am not calling on to introduce religious laws. I am more concerned about boundaries. where shall it go? where shall we stop?

you are spot on when you say the gov rewards bad deeds. it indeed does because gov has stripped itself off from core of morality. suddenly we are all good and equal. e.g. at factories if you are a bully the managers treat you better, they concern about your psycholigal health and jump around you in case you want to sue them, but if you are a good worker you get no reward, no treat but more and more work and more pressure. at schools if you are a trouble, they will take you to a different room and play with you, reward you with many things.

these kinds of actions make people think its ok to be a bully because you face no punishment.

This is such a good observation. One has to look for complicated questions and answers, not black and white. I can say from my own experience that one of the reasons why children in US schhols don´t try as hard as they do in Poland is that n the US people can have fairly good lives wthout great education (that is changing I think), whereas in Poland if one doesn´t get great education, the options are limited. In Poland also, one doesn´t get many second chances either, while in the US it´s easier to go back to school. So people in Poland know that they have to work very hard and that they will face a lot of competition.

Also, the society is more authoritative, where kids are sometimes forced to do things.

Overall, I think that we have to solve our problems in the west without sacrificing our freedom and democracy, because despite all the problems with education that we have in the US, children here are more confident, more assertive, more independent thinking, even if they know less about the world. And these are skills with which we can solve our problems.