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1.       thehandsom
3474 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 07:42 am

Offffff ya offfff.
When are we going to do the things without getting our knickers in a twist!!!

A link from turkish daily news
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=97423
The implementation of a controversial law that lifted the headscarf ban in universities led to chaos in campuses throughout Turkey yesterday, with some allowing headscarf-wearing students to enter campuses and classes while the majority maintained their firm stance against Islamic headgear.

Confusion in universities:
A large number of security officers were observed in Ankara's universities where most of them stuck with implementing the headscarf ban. In most universities, security officers asked students to remove their headscarves at the university gates while some universities first admitted the headscarf-wearing students to classes and then refrained from doing so.

Rectors defended that the headscarf couldn't be permissible in universities and the Gül-endorsed constitutional amendment couldn't be implemented without making any additional amendment to Article 17 of the YÖK law, which specifies the exact type of headgear to be worn in universities. They declared that they will abide by the headscarf ban.

And a link from zaman:

Oppressive rectors violate Constitution (nice headline )

2.       catwoman
6824 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 07:45 am

"Rectors defended that the headscarf couldn't be permissible in universities and the Gül-endorsed constitutional amendment couldn't be implemented without making any additional amendment to Article 17 of the YÖK law, which specifies the exact type of headgear to be worn in universities. They declared that they will abide by the headscarf ban."

I guess this makes sense...

3.       Elisabeth
3251 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 09:14 am

Much ado about nothing....this is getting to be a very tiresome subject. It is all politics and male posturing!

4.       catwoman
6824 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 11:59 am

Yeah, it does feel like much ado about nothing, but I think it's an important event in Turkey. I'm glad that they lifted the ban in universities - I assume, only for students. It's quite ridiculous that in a muslim country people can't enter a university in a headscarf.

5.       Elisabeth
3251 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 12:21 pm

Just doesn't seem like an issue for the federal government of Turkey but an issue for individuals campuses to decide.

6.       Cacık
297 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 01:02 pm

As far as I know (and correct me if I am wrong), until 1999, female students could use a headscarf but the "baş ortusu" style only. It is only the more closed, tightly wrapped so called "islamic" headscarf that has caused the problem.

What I don't understand is that if the above is true, that women could indeed use the "baş ortusu" style before hand, then why was this not enough for those women, why did they push for a more religious style of headscarf ? A headscarf is a headscarf yani...

I used to be all for headscarf wearing in the universities but when a more religious scarf was being pushed through, it seemed to be a clear religious political statement.

They had a scarf, why change it ? :-S

7.       Elisabeth
3251 posts
 26 Feb 2008 Tue 01:08 pm

Quoting Cacık:

As far as I know (and correct me if I am wrong), until 1999, female students could use a headscarf but the "baş ortusu" style only. It is only the more closed, tightly wrapped so called "islamic" headscarf that has caused the problem.

What I don't understand is that if the above is true, that women could indeed use the "baş ortusu" style before hand, then why was this not enough for those women, why did they push for a more religious style of headscarf ? A headscarf is a headscarf yani...

I used to be all for headscarf wearing in the universities but when a more religious scarf was being pushed through, it seemed to be a clear religious political statement.

They had a scarf, why change it ? :-S



It is all about politics Cacik...the headscarf is used as a political tool....to what end....I haven't been able to figure that out. It reminds me of the battle that rages here in the US about our pledge of allegiance and whether or not to say, "one nation, under God" in the pledge. Most Americans don't care about whether they say it or not but politicians love to do battle over the subject.

8.       Roswitha
3693 posts
 21 Apr 2008 Mon 08:29 am

tesettür-armine eşarp ve bağlama şekilleri

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZr0nj_uO_M&feature=related

Mustafa Karaduman of 'Allah is Great Clothing' at his boutique.

Flanked by mannequins modestly swathed in Islamic-style headgear and flowing robes, Mustafa Karaduman says he is a happy man these days.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/12/04/wturk104.xml



9.       incişka
747 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 04:26 pm

Quoting Cacık:

As far as I know (and correct me if I am wrong), until 1999, female students could use a headscarf but the "baş ortusu" style only. It is only the more closed, tightly wrapped so called "islamic" headscarf that has caused the problem.

What I don't understand is that if the above is true, that women could indeed use the "baş ortusu" style before hand, then why was this not enough for those women, why did they push for a more religious style of headscarf ? A headscarf is a headscarf yani...

I used to be all for headscarf wearing in the universities but when a more religious scarf was being pushed through, it seemed to be a clear religious political statement.

They had a scarf, why change it ? :-S



Politics? No.. The girls prefer this new style now cos it looks better Really! And back in 1999 and before, the headscarves were more religious, believe me!! I remember my auntie going to uni and her headscarf was long enough to cover her shoulders and back!!!! But now, the new style looks definetely better, aesthetic!

10.       incişka
747 posts
 23 Apr 2008 Wed 04:28 pm

Quoting catwoman:

It's quite ridiculous that in a muslim country people can't enter a university in a headscarf.


I couldnt agree more!!!!

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