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Muhammad Yunus: Muslim man working for, amongst other things, WOMEN\\\
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:28 am |
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Quoting peace train: So where are these members? Nothing positive to say about this man? What a shame. I guess there wasn't a genuine interest then. |
I agree with you, that is a shame :-S Where are they? Maybe they are sleeping at this time..
ohh no wait.. I see a couple of them logged in 
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:46 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting peace train:
GG you were only driven to post on this thread by the smell of provocation, it's rife on this site. You didn't even give an opinion on Muhammad Yunus in your response to me.
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Good lord where do you find the time to post such lengthy responses????
I know you like to lump all the women here that you have such contempt for as having one mind....but I never comment on Islam or Christianity or Buddishim or Taoism or Hinduism or any other religion you can think of. A fact I am quite sure you haven't bothered to notice. |
I have noticed that you don't comment about religion and if you read my post again you will understand that I have worded it carefully and not "lumped" you with the others.
However, you do get driven to post by the smell of provocation. What I mean is, you sniff out when someone is having a dig at one of your friends or arguing with them. You then jump in, as is you right. I have no problem with it I'm merely making an observation on your style of activity.
However, don't delude yourself that I cause every argument. It is not one way traffic GG and these antics were going on long before I began to enter discussions. And as I said before people have even pm d me to voice their opinions.
Arguing with someone and critisizing their view does not mean I view them automatically with contempt. If they are being rude, agressive or vitriolic then I may feel some contempt. I have no doubt if someone thinks I have been rude, agressive or vitriolic, then they will feel such contempt towards me. This is their right. Such is the nature of what happens here from time to time.
I know I write long posts and I'm sorry if that doesn't suit you. It's my style and you have 2 choices dear, ignore or endure, because I am not about to change.
Thanks for your time.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:05 am |
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Quoting peace train:
I have noticed that you don't comment about religion and if you read my post again you will understand that I have worded it carefully and not 'lumped' you with the others.
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Then why this comment?
Quoting peace train:
You didn't even give an opinion on Muhammad Yunus in your response to me. |
And isn't it interesting to see that geniuda also gave no opinion on Yunus but you said nothing to her.
Quoting peace train:
However, you do get driven to post by the smell of provocation. What I mean is, you sniff out when someone is having a dig at one of your friends or arguing with them. You then jump in, as is you right. I have no problem with it I'm merely making an observation on your style of activity.
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As do you deary.
Quoting peace train:
However, don't delude yourself that I cause every argument. It is not one way traffic GG and these antics were going on long before I began to enter discussions. And as I said before people have even pm d me to voice their opinions.
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Never said ya did, did I. However you are the one I do see commenting most frequently about how things should change here…..I can only conclude by your actions that you do not mean what you say but only make those comments to try to make yourself look good.
Maybe, just maybe, those who you were targeting with your little game here didn’t post because they are not inclined to give you much notice anymore.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:11 am |
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You stated your post was started as an experiment ……
Quoting peace train:
Well I thought I would experiment with this thread and what I thought would happen did.
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If you admit you started it as an experiment….how can you say that you weren’t provoking?
Quit talking in circles and playing games.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:36 am |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting peace train:
I have noticed that you don't comment about religion and if you read my post again you will understand that I have worded it carefully and not 'lumped' you with the others.
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Then why this comment?
 because you visited the thread.
Quoting peace train:
You didn't even give an opinion on Muhammad Yunus in your response to me. |
And isn't it interesting to see that geniuda also gave no opinion on Yunus but you said nothing to her.
I have been having fun. I didn't see geniuda's comment until you pointed it out to me. Naughty genuida, you never made a comment about Muhammad Yunus. But thank you geniuda for entering into the spirit of things, much appreciated  .
Quoting peace train:
However, you do get driven to post by the smell of provocation. What I mean is, you sniff out when someone is having a dig at one of your friends or arguing with them. You then jump in, as is you right. I have no problem with it I'm merely making an observation on your style of activity.
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As do you deary.
No problem with that either. If you can't beat 'em , join 'em .
Quoting peace train:
However, don't delude yourself that I cause every argument. It is not one way traffic GG and these antics were going on long before I began to enter discussions. And as I said before people have even pm d me to voice their opinions.
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Never said ya did, did I. However you are the one I do see commenting most frequently about how things should change here…..I can only conclude by your actions that you do not mean what you say but only make those comments to try to make yourself look good.
Yes I mean what I say but I won't back away from a comment. Seems all my attempts to make myself "look good" have come to naught because people "are not inclined to give me much notice anymore." Let's hope it's a permanent thing .. .eh gg  ?
Maybe, just maybe, those who you were targeting with your little game here didn’t post because they are not inclined to give you much notice anymore.
No problem. No game. Don't you want to join them?
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You'll be pleased to know those were my final words in this conversation.
btw Try as I might I could not make my words bold or italicised. So you will have to make do with the faces.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 06:31 am |
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Quoting peace train:
No problem with that either. If you can't beat 'em , join 'em .
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What a sad attitude for a teacher. If the children on the play ground are ganging up on another child do you join in because it seems to be the thing to do?
Hard to teach children to turn the other cheek when you can't display the behavior yourself isn't it?
Quoting peace train: No problem. No game. Don't you want to join them? |
Oh I'm not a follower, unlike you...ya know...with your 'can't beat em' motto....
You make yourself such an easy target with your circle talk and hypocrisy.
Quoting peace train:
btw Try as I might I could not make my words bold or italicised. So you will have to make do with the faces. |
You seem to take so much pride in not being able to do these kinds of things. Someone like you who likes to play so smart? Strange. 
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 01:18 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl: Quoting peace train:
No problem with that either. If you can't beat 'em , join 'em .
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What a sad attitude for a teacher. If the children on the play ground are ganging up on another child do you join in because it seems to be the thing to do?
Hard to teach children to turn the other cheek when you can't display the behavior yourself isn't it?
You missed my point. I used the phrase in a different context to the example you give here.
Quoting peace train: No problem. No game. Don't you want to join them? |
Oh I'm not a follower, unlike you...ya know...with your 'can't beat em' motto....
You make yourself such an easy target with your circle talk and hypocrisy.
Seems my circle talk made you dizzy . . . now your making me dizzy . Hmmm let me get this straight now. . . you think I'm in the CGG and you're the Gang of One?
Quoting peace train:
btw Try as I might I could not make my words bold or italicised. So you will have to make do with the faces. |
You seem to take so much pride in not being able to do these kinds of things. Someone like you who likes to play so smart? Strange.
Not pride . . . JOY! I like to laugh at myself sometimes. Smart? . . .please . . . no compliments, it's not in the CGG Mission Statement.
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Thank you for joining the thread and striking up this exchange, the pleasure has been all mine. I know I said I had finished in my last post but, well:
My heart it doth become heavy
At the mere thought of loneliness
In the windows of silence
My tongue throbs with anticipation
Words run rampant through my veins
Making me a prisoner in my own kingdom
Who will release me from my silent soliloquy?
When will my Prince Alarming kiss my fevered lips?
Oh how he mocketh me with his absence
He dallies with others and leaves me wanting . . .
copyright Peace Train, March 2008
(because I think I'm so important  )
English to Turkish anyone?
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 01:20 pm |
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So, PT, you do agree that there are bad things about Muslims? How come you never, or hardly ever, comment on them? I think it's great that there are good Muslims - but I have said that in so many posts that I simply found it pointless to repeat myself. Still, I don't quite follow what does the fact that there are good Muslim people have to do with what some members criticise about Islam?
An official statement:
There are Good Muslims and Bad Muslims. There are Good Christians and Bad Christians. There are Good Atheists and Bad Atheists. Being a good or a bad person doesn't depend on your sex, age, religion or nationality.
Have you seriously thought that we perceive Islam as the religion of bad people? No. We don't. I have repeatedly said I have Muslim friends of both sexes and they are no worse or better than non-Muslim ones. We believe this religion justifies lower status of a woman more than any other religion (yes, all religions tend to be patriarchal because men invented them, but Islam-dominant countries seem to have less regard for women rights than secular ones).
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 02:26 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: So, PT, you do agree that there are bad things about Muslims? How come you never, or hardly ever, comment on them? I think it's great that there are good Muslims - but I have said that in so many posts that I simply found it pointless to repeat myself. Still, I don't quite follow what does the fact that there are good Muslim people have to do with what some members criticise about Islam?
An official statement:
There are Good Muslims and Bad Muslims. There are Good Christians and Bad Christians. There are Good Atheists and Bad Atheists. Being a good or a bad person doesn't depend on your sex, age, religion or nationality.
Have you seriously thought that we perceive Islam as the religion of bad people? No. We don't. I have repeatedly said I have Muslim friends of both sexes and they are no worse or better than non-Muslim ones. We believe this religion justifies lower status of a woman more than any other religion (yes, all religions tend to be patriarchal because men invented them, but Islam-dominant countries seem to have less regard for women rights than secular ones). |
Daydreamer
I have usually respected your views because you put your points across without venom. Often it is not what people say but the way they say it. I have expressed my anti terrorist and anti oppression views more than once. How often do I personally have to tell the same people my view on this? Do they have cotton wool in their ears? Was my use of lanuage too sophisticated for them? I think not.
Also, I will not entertain a discussion with people who use words such as "asshole" ,"rabid" "dick", "ignorant" (I used this word a couple of times to FF and AE simply to show how easy it is to speak base language), "backward", "primitive", plus the words FF used when speaking to a member from Mexico, because that language negates their credibility and I would be wasting my breath.
As a teacher, you know the power of language and the destruction it can cause. The above language is not civilised language and yet some of the speakers have been demanding civilised discussion in recent days.
I am not Snow White, I know my faults, we all make mistakes, we all scream of double standards.
I started the thread because these same people constantly bemoaned the lack of good Muslim role models Daydreamer. I was giving them an example of what they wanted and it was not a retort of any kind. A simple "thank you for the information" would have been enough for me to know they had a genuine interest.
I have never commented on anyone's faith here, because it's not for me to do this; it is a personal matter for the individual.
I absolutely agree that there are good and bad examples of the different faiths and those who don't follow a religion - I have never said otherwise. I have never evangelised my faith here or anywhere. I absolutely repect the other faiths and would never mock or challenge them. I have never ridiculed someone's faith or atheism, unlike others.
I have agreed with the comments about terrorism and oppression of women. I am a woman, I cannot fail to miss that I live in a patriarchal society. From comments made, I get the feeling some one here thinks I may have married into Islam. Actually no, I am a "strong. independent, successful and intelligent" woman with a mind of her own.
Thanks for your contribution Daydreamer, your views are always welcome.
You will now be in GG's bad books for encouraging me to speak
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:03 pm |
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Like I've said before, I like reading your posts too although I don't necessarily agree with you. You're absolutely right that this forum could do with more courtesy. Not calling names does not make one boring but polite, contrary to what some people think.
The names you mention - FF and AE are long gone. Nobody here but adonis uses such a vulgar language as FF did. I expressed my discontent with FF's style many times. However, but for the style, everything she said is quite logical and I share her point of view.
I believe the reason why some members attacked you in this thread was this post:
Quote: So where are these members? Nothing positive to say about this man? What a shame. I guess there wasn't a genuine interest then. |
Has it occurred to you that you attacked other TC users for not posting just 2 hours after starting the thread? Even if some members who usually criticise Islam were online, they might have been busy reading other threads, they might have missed your post, might have not read your post because of the author (yes, it does happen) or might have seen no point in replies consisting of two words, e.g. "good job". I do think it's unfair of you to attack others for not replying to your thread. That's all I wanted to say, I didn't mean to insult you or your religion.
Oh, and I fear nobody so no problem about GG
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 03:12 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
Has it occurred to you that you attacked other TC users for not posting just 2 hours after starting the thread? |
OOps..now who cannot tell a.m. from p.m.? 
My mistake, sorry, I've noticed you posted the other one at 1.30 p.m not a.m so that makes it 14 hours (My students should be happy I don't teach maths or geography). The other reasons are still valid, though.
Regards,
shameful DDR
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